Attila < wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >Maximus wrote:
> >>
> >> Attila wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
> >> > <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> > <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Attila wrote:
> >> >>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
> >> >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >> >>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> >> >>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> >> >>> Apple?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> >> >>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----------------
> >> >> and the third person
> >> > There is no third person before live birth.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> yes there is, the father.
> >
> >There is the fourth person...
> >
> >If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
> >murders.
>
> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
> places two murders and in some places one.

A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!

"Feel it, it's kicking!"

Twins? 3 murder chargers.

tripilets? i'm losing count.

Did you know the highest rate of Murder among women is..among pregnant women?

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 02 May 2024 09:21:22 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6633BD82.2D97@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Maximus wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Attila wrote:
>> >> > On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>> >> > <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> > <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Attila wrote:
>> >> >>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>> >> >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >> >>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>> >> >>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>> >> >>> Apple?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>> >> >>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> -----------------
>> >> >> and the third person
>> >> > There is no third person before live birth.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> yes there is, the father.
>> >
>> >There is the fourth person...
>> >
>> >If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>> >murders.
>>
>> The charge would vary according to local law. In some
>> places two murders and in some places one.
>
>
>A person is a 'body'...eyes, nose, mouth, arms, legs..it's alive!

Reference please. Or is this your opinion?

>
>
>"Feel it, it's kicking!"
>
>Twins? 3 murder chargers.
>
>tripilets? i'm losing count.
>
>Did you know the highest rate of Murder among women is..among pregnant women?

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>> Apple?
>>>
>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>
>>> -----------------
>>
>> and the third person
>
> There is no third person before live birth.
>
>
> --
>
> ----------------

Conception comes before birth, ask anyone.
>
>

On Thu, 2 May 2024 21:50:39 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<1LednWR_pcz1Ya77nZ2dnZeNn_ednZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>> Apple?
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>>
>>> and the third person
>>
>> There is no third person before live birth.
>
>Conception comes before birth, ask anyone.
>>
>>

Irrelevant. In some cultures in the past babies were not
named until they were one year old due to the high infant
mortality rate.

If a fetus is a person can it be counted in a census? Is it
a tax deduction? Is it a citizen? Of where? Does it need
a passport?

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>
>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------
>>>> and the third person
>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>
>> yes there is, the father.
> He is not involved at this point.

so only the mother has a say in what happens?

>
> --
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>> and the third person
>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>
>>> yes there is, the father.
>> He is not involved at this point.
>
>so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>

She is the only person directly involved. The final
decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
affected by that decision.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>
> -----------------

and the third person

On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
<clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
<SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>> Apple?
>>
>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>
>> -----------------
>
>and the third person

There is no third person before live birth.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>> Apple?
>>>
>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>
>>> -----------------
>> and the third person
> There is no third person before live birth.
>
>
> --
>
>

yes there is, the father.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Maximus wrote:
>
> Attila wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
> > <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
> > <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Attila wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
> >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> >>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> >>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> >>> Apple?
> >>>
> >>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> >>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> >>>
> >>> -----------------
> >> and the third person
> > There is no third person before live birth.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
> yes there is, the father.

There is the fourth person...

If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
murders.

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>> Apple?
>>>>
>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>
>>>> -----------------
>>> and the third person
>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>yes there is, the father.

He is not involved at this point.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:11:09 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6633044D.3487@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Maximus wrote:
>>
>> Attila wrote:
>> > On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>> > <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> > <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Attila wrote:
>> >>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>> >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> >>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>> >>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>> >>> Apple?
>> >>>
>> >>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>> >>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>> >>>
>> >>> -----------------
>> >> and the third person
>> > There is no third person before live birth.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>>
>> yes there is, the father.
>
>There is the fourth person...
>
>If a husband muders his pregnant wife, he gets charged for ...two
>murders.

The charge would vary according to local law. In some
places two murders and in some places one.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>
>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>> He is not involved at this point.
>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>
> She is the only person directly involved. The final
> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
> affected by that decision.

the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage

>
> --
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>
>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>
>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>> affected by that decision.
>
>the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>

No, the events will progress even if the father is not aware
of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
alive.

Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
outcome.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 4/05/2024 7:03 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>
>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>> affected by that decision.
>>
>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>
>
> No, the events will progress even if the father is not aware
> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
> alive.
>
> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
> outcome.

"Atheists never agree and are always squabbling over dumb things."

You've just been given a Maximus-like Mindset Moron Mindless Motto!

Michael Christ

>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

On Sat, 4 May 2024 20:19:09 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
message-id <v1522s$147mo$5@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 4/05/2024 7:03 pm, Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>
>>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>
>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>
>>
>> No, the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
>> alive.
>>
>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>> outcome.
>
>"Atheists never agree and are always squabbling over dumb things."
>
>You've just been given a Maximus-like Mindset Moron Mindless Motto!
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>

As usual your comment has nothing to do with the issue. It
must be lonely in the Outback.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>
>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>> affected by that decision.
>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>
> No,

that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
to be a parent

> the events will progress even if the father is not aware
> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
> alive.
>
> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
> outcome.

of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
what she wants regardless

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 4/05/2024 7:03 pm, Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>
>>>> She is the only person directly involved.  The final
>>>> decision belongs to her.  She is the only one directly
>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>
>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>
>>
>> No, the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>> of the situation.  The only person who is always involved in
>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>> involved.  In fact, the father does not even need to be
>> alive.
>>
>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>> outcome.
>
> "Atheists never agree and are always squabbling over dumb things."
>
> You've just been given a Maximus-like Mindset Moron Mindless Motto!
>
>

we discuss intelligently. theists don't. you just keep telling each
other my belief is right, yours is wrong.

>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>

--
Have a nice day!..

On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>
>>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>>> affected by that decision.
>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>
>> No,
>
>that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
>to be a parent

So? Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
all in their life. In fact, any such a change is voluntary
on his part. The woman has the responsibility to take care
of the child (after risking her life and health to give
birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
to another person. She can be arrested if she does not do
this.

>
>> the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
>> alive.
>>
>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>> outcome.
>
>of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>what she wants regardless

The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
pregnant. She is the one risking her life and health and
such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>>
>>>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>>
>>> No,
>> that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
>> to be a parent
> So? Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
> all in their life. In fact, any such a change is voluntary
> on his part. The woman has the responsibility to take care
> of the child (after risking her life and health to give
> birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
> to another person. She can be arrested if she does not do
> this.
>
>>> the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>>> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
>>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>>> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
>>> alive.
>>>
>>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>>> outcome.
>> of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>> pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>> what she wants regardless
> The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
> pregnant.

it's his child too (or will be). what if the woman wants to terminate,
but then after discussing it, they decide to raise the child?

> She is the one risking her life and health and
> such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.

I'm not saying she should be forced, only that that father is entitled
to have a say in the matter. although I don't know what rights the
father has legally, if any. thankfully, I've never been a party to an
unwanted pregnancy.

>
> --
>
>

--
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"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 5/05/2024 9:06 am, Maximus wrote:
> Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> She is the only person directly involved.  The final
>>>>>> decision belongs to her.  She is the only one directly
>>>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he
>>>>> will
>>>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>>>
>>>> No,
>>> that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
>>> to be a parent
>> So?  Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
>> all in their life.  In fact, any such a change is voluntary
>> on his part.  The woman has the responsibility to take care
>> of the child (after risking her life and health to give
>> birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
>> to another person.  She can be arrested if she does not do
>> this.
>>
>>>>    the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>>>> of the situation.  The only person who is always involved in
>>>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>>>> involved.  In fact, the father does not even need to be
>>>> alive.
>>>>
>>>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>>>> outcome.
>>> of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>>> pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>>> what she wants regardless
>> The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
>> pregnant.
>
> it's his child too (or will be). what if the woman wants to terminate,
> but then after discussing it, they decide to raise the child?
>
>>   She is the one risking her life and health and
>> such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.
>
> I'm not saying she should be forced, only that that father is entitled
> to have a say in the matter. although I don't know what rights the
> father has legally, if any. thankfully, I've never been a party to an
> unwanted pregnancy.

I was going to say, "But your parents were," but I decided against it
because it was a bit mean.

Maximus is a moron but he is our Christian moron with his just concern
about the father's rights.

Whereas Attila is a complete asshole.

Michael Christ

>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>

--
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10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

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"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

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willingness to believe."

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and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

On Sun, 5 May 2024 09:06:41 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9ntc5FllptU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>>>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>>>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>>>
>>>> No,
>>> that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
>>> to be a parent
>> So? Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
>> all in their life. In fact, any such a change is voluntary
>> on his part. The woman has the responsibility to take care
>> of the child (after risking her life and health to give
>> birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
>> to another person. She can be arrested if she does not do
>> this.
>>
>>>> the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>>>> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
>>>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>>>> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
>>>> alive.
>>>>
>>>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>>>> outcome.
>>> of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>>> pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>>> what she wants regardless
>> The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
>> pregnant.
>
>it's his child too (or will be). what if the woman wants to terminate,
>but then after discussing it, they decide to raise the child?

As long as she isn't forced any result is fine. I am not
proabortion - I am prochoice. As long as she has a free
choice I don't care what that choice is.

>
>> She is the one risking her life and health and
>> such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.
>
>I'm not saying she should be forced, only that that father is entitled
>to have a say in the matter. although I don't know what rights the
>father has legally, if any. thankfully, I've never been a party to an
>unwanted pregnancy.

Nor have I. At my age it is unlikely I could ever be.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Sun, 5 May 2024 09:47:53 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
message-id <v16hfa$1dhi2$6@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 5/05/2024 9:06 am, Maximus wrote:
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She is the only person directly involved.  The final
>>>>>>> decision belongs to her.  She is the only one directly
>>>>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>>>>
>>>>> No,
>>>> that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
>>>> to be a parent
>>> So?  Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
>>> all in their life.  In fact, any such a change is voluntary
>>> on his part.  The woman has the responsibility to take care
>>> of the child (after risking her life and health to give
>>> birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
>>> to another person.  She can be arrested if she does not do
>>> this.
>>>
>>>>>    the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>>>>> of the situation.  The only person who is always involved in
>>>>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>>>>> involved.  In fact, the father does not even need to be
>>>>> alive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>>>>> outcome.
>>>> of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>>>> pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>>>> what she wants regardless
>>> The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
>>> pregnant.
>>
>> it's his child too (or will be). what if the woman wants to terminate,
>> but then after discussing it, they decide to raise the child?
>>
>>>   She is the one risking her life and health and
>>> such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.
>>
>> I'm not saying she should be forced, only that that father is entitled
>> to have a say in the matter. although I don't know what rights the
>> father has legally, if any. thankfully, I've never been a party to an
>> unwanted pregnancy.
>
>I was going to say, "But your parents were," but I decided against it
>because it was a bit mean.
>
>Maximus is a moron but he is our Christian moron with his just concern
>about the father's rights.
>
>Whereas Attila is a complete asshole.

Thanks for your opinion. It verifies my position.

>
>
>Michael Christ
>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 5/05/2024 9:06 am, Maximus wrote:
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights?  Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She is the only person directly involved.  The final
>>>>>>> decision belongs to her.  She is the only one directly
>>>>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if
>>>>>> he will
>>>>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>>>>
>>>>> No,
>>>> that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't
>>>> get
>>>> to be a parent
>>> So?  Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
>>> all in their life.  In fact, any such a change is voluntary
>>> on his part.  The woman has the responsibility to take care
>>> of the child (after risking her life and health to give
>>> birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
>>> to another person.  She can be arrested if she does not do
>>> this.
>>>
>>>>>    the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>>>>> of the situation.  The only person who is always involved in
>>>>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>>>>> involved.  In fact, the father does not even need to be
>>>>> alive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>>>>> outcome.
>>>> of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>>>> pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>>>> what she wants regardless
>>> The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
>>> pregnant.
>>
>> it's his child too (or will be). what if the woman wants to
>> terminate, but then after discussing it, they decide to raise the child?
>>
>>>   She is the one risking her life and health and
>>> such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.
>>
>> I'm not saying she should be forced, only that that father is
>> entitled to have a say in the matter. although I don't know what
>> rights the father has legally, if any. thankfully, I've never been a
>> party to an unwanted pregnancy.
>
> I was going to say, "But your parents were," but I decided against it
> because it was a bit mean.

nasty and untrue

>
> Maximus is a moron

there's no evidence for that

> but he is our Christian moron with his just concern about the father's
> rights.

at least you can agree the father has rights

>
> Whereas Attila is a complete asshole.

there's no evidence for that also.

both Attila and I justify what we say. you otoh claim 'the Lord' speaks
to you and tells you things, so you cannot justify what you say. you
resort to name calling to try to discredit us, because it's all you
have, since you cannot discredit what we say.

>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>

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“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Attila wrote:
> On Sun, 5 May 2024 09:06:41 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9ntc5FllptU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 21:23:06 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9mk4sFfn9fU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2024 12:25:30 +1000, Maximus
>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <l9lkksFb5ebU3@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 May 2024 22:37:39 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <l9k44kF468qU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:36:18 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <l9g5g4FglehU2@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 20:43:25 +0100, cld
>>>>>>>>>>> <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <SOqcnQWwu_GqBq_7nZ2dnZeNn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----------------
>>>>>>>>>>>> and the third person
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no third person before live birth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yes there is, the father.
>>>>>>>>> He is not involved at this point.
>>>>>>>> so only the mother has a say in what happens?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She is the only person directly involved. The final
>>>>>>> decision belongs to her. She is the only one directly
>>>>>>> affected by that decision.
>>>>>> the father is directly involved. her decision will determine if he will
>>>>>> eventually have a biological child or not, assuming no miscarriage
>>>>>>
>>>>> No,
>>>> that makes no sense. if the woman has a abortion the father doesn't get
>>>> to be a parent
>>> So? Many men become a parent and the result is no change at
>>> all in their life. In fact, any such a change is voluntary
>>> on his part. The woman has the responsibility to take care
>>> of the child (after risking her life and health to give
>>> birth) unless she proactively passes that responsibility on
>>> to another person. She can be arrested if she does not do
>>> this.
>>>
>>>>> the events will progress even if the father is not aware
>>>>> of the situation. The only person who is always involved in
>>>>> deciding what the eventual result will be is the woman
>>>>> involved. In fact, the father does not even need to be
>>>>> alive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her decision and her decision alone will determine he
>>>>> outcome.
>>>> of course. but I'm saying the father has a right to say whether the
>>>> pregnancy should be terminated or not. but of course the woman will do
>>>> what she wants regardless
>>> The father has no skin in the game once the woman is
>>> pregnant.
>> it's his child too (or will be). what if the woman wants to terminate,
>> but then after discussing it, they decide to raise the child?
> As long as she isn't forced any result is fine. I am not
> proabortion - I am prochoice. As long as she has a free
> choice I don't care what that choice is.
>>> She is the one risking her life and health and
>>> such a risk should be voluntary and not forced.
>> I'm not saying she should be forced, only that that father is entitled
>> to have a say in the matter. although I don't know what rights the
>> father has legally, if any. thankfully, I've never been a party to an
>> unwanted pregnancy.
> Nor have I. At my age it is unlikely I could ever be.

oh, I thought you were a young(er) dude :)

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“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"