Attila < wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>
> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
> of any religion.

1
: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religious

the operative word is "or".

--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge the unchallengeable.

On Wed, 01 May 2024 21:42:04 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6633199C.2131@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>> >An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>>
>> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
>> of any religion.
>
>
>1
>: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religious
>
>
>the operative word is "or".

The subject under discussion is atheism not religion.

"a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or
any gods"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.

I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
of any religion.

A statement that something does not exist would require
evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
provide.

I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
existence of any god. My default position is that as a
result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
the default position that a god does exist would require I
also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
other mythical characters must also exist.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 1/05/2024 7:26 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>
> I take issue with that.

Yes, the force is strong with this one.

Michael Christ

I have nothing to do with any part
> of any religion.
>
> A statement that something does not exist would require
> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
> provide.
>
> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
> existence of any god. My default position is that as a
> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
> the default position that a god does exist would require I
> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
> other mythical characters must also exist.
>
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
> of any religion.
>
> A statement that something does not exist would require
> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
> provide.
>
> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
> existence of any god.

ah, so you admit there is evidence, which there is, as we've discussed.
saying no 'valid' evidence IYO is fine.

> My default position is that as a
> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
> the default position that a god does exist would require I
> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
> other mythical characters must also exist.
>

I don't follow your reasoning. each proposition can be considered
independently. I don't see why if someone doesn't believe in God, they
also have to not believe in werewolves or vampires. surely
anything/everything should be considered on it's merits. ie. what
evidence is there and the likelihood of it supporting reality. plus the
fact of individual freedom to believe. someone can not believe in
something, however strong the evidence for it is, and still believe in
something ridiculous.

> --
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Mon, 6 May 2024 10:46:56 +1000, Maximus
<gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
<l9qnk0F41ujU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
>> of any religion.
>>
>> A statement that something does not exist would require
>> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
>> provide.
>>
>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>> existence of any god.
>
>ah, so you admit there is evidence, which there is, as we've discussed.
>saying no 'valid' evidence IYO is fine.

The only such evidence is so defined by the observer and not
necessarily accepted by anyone else. I accept no such
evidence as being valid since none of it has any independent
verification.

>
>> My default position is that as a
>> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
>> the default position that a god does exist would require I
>> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
>> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
>> other mythical characters must also exist.
>>
>
>I don't follow your reasoning. each proposition can be considered
>independently. I don't see why if someone doesn't believe in God, they
>also have to not believe in werewolves or vampires.

Since the amount of supporting evidence (valid unambiguous,
unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence) is exactly the
same for each item and selection of one being more valid
than any other is arbitrary and based upon nothing more than
opinion.

>surely
>anything/everything should be considered on it's merits. ie. what
>evidence is there and the likelihood of it supporting reality. plus the
>fact of individual freedom to believe. someone can not believe in
>something, however strong the evidence for it is, and still believe in
>something ridiculous.

Anyone is free to believe anything they like without limit.
That alone does not validate any belief.

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 6/05/2024 7:44 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2024 10:46:56 +1000, Maximus
> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <l9qnk0F41ujU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>>> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
>>> of any religion.
>>>
>>> A statement that something does not exist would require
>>> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
>>> provide.
>>>
>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>> existence of any god.
>>
>> ah, so you admit there is evidence, which there is, as we've discussed.
>> saying no 'valid' evidence IYO is fine.
>
> The only such evidence is so defined by the observer and not
> necessarily accepted by anyone else. I accept no such
> evidence as being valid since none of it has any independent
> verification.
>
>>
>>> My default position is that as a
>>> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
>>> the default position that a god does exist would require I
>>> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
>>> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
>>> other mythical characters must also exist.
>>>
>>
>> I don't follow your reasoning. each proposition can be considered
>> independently. I don't see why if someone doesn't believe in God, they
>> also have to not believe in werewolves or vampires.
>
> Since the amount of supporting evidence (valid unambiguous,
> unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence) is exactly the
> same for each item and selection of one being more valid
> than any other is arbitrary and based upon nothing more than
> opinion.
>
>
>> surely
>> anything/everything should be considered on it's merits. ie. what
>> evidence is there and the likelihood of it supporting reality. plus the
>> fact of individual freedom to believe. someone can not believe in
>> something, however strong the evidence for it is, and still believe in
>> something ridiculous.
>
> Anyone is free to believe anything they like without limit.
> That alone does not validate any belief.

Of course not, validation belongs to God.

No, Tilly, that is not you.

Michael Christ

>
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

On Mon, 6 May 2024 20:10:59 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
message-id <v1aabj$2eehl$3@dont-email.me> wrote:

>On 6/05/2024 7:44 pm, Attila wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 10:46:56 +1000, Maximus
>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <l9qnk0F41ujU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Attila wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>>>> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
>>>> of any religion.
>>>>
>>>> A statement that something does not exist would require
>>>> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
>>>> provide.
>>>>
>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>>> existence of any god.
>>>
>>> ah, so you admit there is evidence, which there is, as we've discussed.
>>> saying no 'valid' evidence IYO is fine.
>>
>> The only such evidence is so defined by the observer and not
>> necessarily accepted by anyone else. I accept no such
>> evidence as being valid since none of it has any independent
>> verification.
>>
>>>
>>>> My default position is that as a
>>>> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
>>>> the default position that a god does exist would require I
>>>> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
>>>> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
>>>> other mythical characters must also exist.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't follow your reasoning. each proposition can be considered
>>> independently. I don't see why if someone doesn't believe in God, they
>>> also have to not believe in werewolves or vampires.
>>
>> Since the amount of supporting evidence (valid unambiguous,
>> unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence) is exactly the
>> same for each item and selection of one being more valid
>> than any other is arbitrary and based upon nothing more than
>> opinion.
>>
>>
>>> surely
>>> anything/everything should be considered on it's merits. ie. what
>>> evidence is there and the likelihood of it supporting reality. plus the
>>> fact of individual freedom to believe. someone can not believe in
>>> something, however strong the evidence for it is, and still believe in
>>> something ridiculous.
>>
>> Anyone is free to believe anything they like without limit.
>> That alone does not validate any belief.
>
>Of course not, validation belongs to God.

How is this done? By rubber stamp?

>
>No, Tilly, that is not you.
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>>
>>

--

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
as I prefer to call them

The most dangerous enemies the United States has:

Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
have stepped over the line and are working against
the country and what it stands for.

Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.

Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
Go WOKE. Go broke.
CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
End all social engineering programs.

I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
face with what she has to say.

Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
Apple?

Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
It is the business of no one else.

There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
She want's it. All else is irrelevant

I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.

Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

On 6/05/2024 11:14 pm, Attila wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2024 20:10:59 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
> message-id <v1aabj$2eehl$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 6/05/2024 7:44 pm, Attila wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 10:46:56 +1000, Maximus
>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <l9qnk0F41ujU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:13:21 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>> <6631A541.5B91@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> An atheist is a ...very religious nonbeliever.
>>>>> I take issue with that. I have nothing to do with any part
>>>>> of any religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> A statement that something does not exist would require
>>>>> evidence of a negative, which is almost impossible to
>>>>> provide.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>>>> existence of any god.
>>>>
>>>> ah, so you admit there is evidence, which there is, as we've discussed.
>>>> saying no 'valid' evidence IYO is fine.
>>>
>>> The only such evidence is so defined by the observer and not
>>> necessarily accepted by anyone else. I accept no such
>>> evidence as being valid since none of it has any independent
>>> verification.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> My default position is that as a
>>>>> result no god exists. Since this is a binary issue to take
>>>>> the default position that a god does exist would require I
>>>>> also take the position that vampires, dragons, elves,
>>>>> werewolves, shape changers, super heroes, and all sorts of
>>>>> other mythical characters must also exist.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't follow your reasoning. each proposition can be considered
>>>> independently. I don't see why if someone doesn't believe in God, they
>>>> also have to not believe in werewolves or vampires.
>>>
>>> Since the amount of supporting evidence (valid unambiguous,
>>> unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence) is exactly the
>>> same for each item and selection of one being more valid
>>> than any other is arbitrary and based upon nothing more than
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>>
>>>> surely
>>>> anything/everything should be considered on it's merits. ie. what
>>>> evidence is there and the likelihood of it supporting reality. plus the
>>>> fact of individual freedom to believe. someone can not believe in
>>>> something, however strong the evidence for it is, and still believe in
>>>> something ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Anyone is free to believe anything they like without limit.
>>> That alone does not validate any belief.
>>
>> Of course not, validation belongs to God.
>
> How is this done? By rubber stamp?

Yeah, an anvil rubbered stamp on your head.

No, not an Attila rubber stamp.

Michael Christ
>
>>
>> No, Tilly, that is not you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
> --
>
> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting
> and abhorrent.
> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.
>
> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims
> as I prefer to call them
>
> The most dangerous enemies the United States has:
>
> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and
> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including
> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez,
> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman,
> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler,
> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They
> have stepped over the line and are working against
> the country and what it stands for.
>
> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt.
>
> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason.
> Go WOKE. Go broke.
> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs
> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy
> End all social engineering programs.
>
> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight
> face with what she has to say.
>
> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to
> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten
> Apple?
>
> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure
> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor.
> It is the business of no one else.
>
> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion.
> She want's it. All else is irrelevant
>
> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment.
>
> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."