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Subject: AI lens design
From: RichD
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:52 UTC
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Subject: AI lens design
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I saw an announcement somewhere, about a
AI doohickey which solves lens design problems
that stump the experts.

Lens design is a mature science, so this is surprising.
Anybody here wish to comment/speculate on the
nature of these problems, or the contexts? NP problems,
something like that?

--
Rich

Subject: Re: AI lens design
From: RichD
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Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:54 UTC
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Subject: Re: AI lens design
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> I saw an announcement somewhere, about a
> AI doohickey which solves lens design problems
> that stump the experts.
> Lens design is a mature science, so this is surprising.
> Anybody here wish to comment/speculate on the
> nature of these problems, or the contexts? NP problems,
> something like that?

It's reminiscent of the protein folding project.

Subject: Re: AI lens design
From: Henry Nebrensky
Newsgroups: sci.optics
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2023 17:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: AI lens design
From: torty5737@gmail.com (Henry Nebrensky)
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> Anybody here wish to comment/speculate on the
> nature of these problems...

Not sure I want to... but will anyway:

My totally uninformed speculation would be that there's
still plenty of scope for new ideas around

i) miniaturisation and manufacturability (e.g. phone cameras)
ii) new functionality coming from not being limited to spherical
glass surfaces - or even circularly symmetric surfaces.

e.g. consider things like Alvarez lenses
There must be all sort of stuff possible if you can use funky
surface shapes and then mix in diffractive optics, meta-materials,
etc. on top of that, but it makes the parameter space enormous...

Hth

Henry

On Friday, 22 September 2023 at 23:52:02 UTC+1, RichD wrote:
> I saw an announcement somewhere, about a
> AI doohickey which solves lens design problems
> that stump the experts.
>
> Lens design is a mature science, so this is surprising.
> Anybody here wish to comment/speculate on the
> nature of these problems, or the contexts? NP problems,
> something like that?
>
> --
> Rich

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