Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance. Only had choice
of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that basically
only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my dentist. Mentioned
here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a new partial. Work on
teeth was not needed, just broke old one.

Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from. Dentist says he will
take any plan so am looking for suggestions. That appliance was about
all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.

On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance.  Only had choice
> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that basically
> only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my dentist.  Mentioned
> here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a new partial.  Work on
> teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
>
> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from.  Dentist says he will
> take any plan so am looking for suggestions.  That appliance was about
> all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.

Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense. An insurance
company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums. With
a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
will never even go to the dentist. People who buy individual plans
generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced. But when
you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year. Then look at the
benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need. Most
plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
50%) than they cover other services. See how much benefit you will get,
compared to your premium.

Steve

On 7/14/2021 3:21 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
>> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance.  Only had choice
>> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that
>> basically only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my
>> dentist.  Mentioned here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a
>> new partial.  Work on teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
>>
>> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from.  Dentist says he
>> will take any plan so am looking for suggestions.  That appliance was
>> about all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.
>
>
> Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense.  An insurance
> company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums.  With
> a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
> will never even go to the dentist.  People who buy individual plans
> generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
> if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced.  But when
> you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
> almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
> Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
> look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year.  Then look at the
> benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need.  Most
> plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
> 50%) than they cover other services.  See how much benefit you will get,
> compared to your premium.
>
> Steve

Thanks, Steve, and I know that about any insurance. Including subsidy
it was costing about $240 a year and I doubt that dentist would charge
less than this for two cleanings and xrays in a year. So I am thinking
of getting a similar policy and seeing some that seem as low a cost as
what i had and partially cover additional work. I think that is what I
am looking for.

Unlike medical insurance I could afford any dental work. Last year
without medicare and supplemental it might have cost me half a million
dollars which could never happen with dental.

Frank

On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:58:50 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
> On 7/14/2021 3:21 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> > On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
> >> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance. Only had choice
> >> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that
> >> basically only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my
> >> dentist. Mentioned here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a
> >> new partial. Work on teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
> >>
> >> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from. Dentist says he
> >> will take any plan so am looking for suggestions. That appliance was
> >> about all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.
> >
> >
> > Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense. An insurance
> > company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums. With
> > a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
> > will never even go to the dentist. People who buy individual plans
> > generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
> > if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced. But when
> > you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
> > almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
> > Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
> > look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year. Then look at the
> > benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need. Most
> > plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
> > 50%) than they cover other services. See how much benefit you will get,
> > compared to your premium.
> >
> > Steve
> Thanks, Steve, and I know that about any insurance. Including subsidy
> it was costing about $240 a year and I doubt that dentist would charge
> less than this for two cleanings and xrays in a year. So I am thinking
> of getting a similar policy and seeing some that seem as low a cost as
> what i had and partially cover additional work. I think that is what I
> am looking for.
>
> Unlike medical insurance I could afford any dental work. Last year
> without medicare and supplemental it might have cost me half a million
> dollars which could never happen with dental.
>
> Frank
I run a dental office and what I tell people looking to buy private insurance is, take the money you would spend to have the plan and put it in a savings account. IF you need it, its there, if you don't, you still have your money. The other part of a private plan is they always have waiting periods, sometimes up to 12 months, because they dont want you to get everything done and then drop the plan. I would never suggest a private plan.

On 11/21/2021 11:59 PM, Tin@ wrote:
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:58:50 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
>> On 7/14/2021 3:21 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>>> On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance. Only had choice
>>>> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that
>>>> basically only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my
>>>> dentist. Mentioned here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a
>>>> new partial. Work on teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
>>>>
>>>> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from. Dentist says he
>>>> will take any plan so am looking for suggestions. That appliance was
>>>> about all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.
>>>
>>>
>>> Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense. An insurance
>>> company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums. With
>>> a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
>>> will never even go to the dentist. People who buy individual plans
>>> generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
>>> if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced. But when
>>> you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
>>> almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
>>> Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
>>> look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year. Then look at the
>>> benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need. Most
>>> plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
>>> 50%) than they cover other services. See how much benefit you will get,
>>> compared to your premium.
>>>
>>> Steve
>> Thanks, Steve, and I know that about any insurance. Including subsidy
>> it was costing about $240 a year and I doubt that dentist would charge
>> less than this for two cleanings and xrays in a year. So I am thinking
>> of getting a similar policy and seeing some that seem as low a cost as
>> what i had and partially cover additional work. I think that is what I
>> am looking for.
>>
>> Unlike medical insurance I could afford any dental work. Last year
>> without medicare and supplemental it might have cost me half a million
>> dollars which could never happen with dental.
>>
>> Frank
> I run a dental office and what I tell people looking to buy private insurance is, take the money you would spend to have the plan and put it in a savings account. IF you need it, its there, if you don't, you still have your money. The other part of a private plan is they always have waiting periods, sometimes up to 12 months, because they dont want you to get everything done and then drop the plan. I would never suggest a private plan.
>

Thanks. I was in a quandary but decided to just continue with current
plan. It does completely cover the two cleanings and one xray I get
every year and with dental costs around here I believe these costs would
exceed cost of insurance. I also recently had a cavity filled and found
it does cover about half the cost. I know other coverage is zilch and I
can afford whatever else I might need.

On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:30:16 AM UTC-8, Frank wrote:
> On 11/21/2021 11:59 PM, Tin@ wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:58:50 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
> >> On 7/14/2021 3:21 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> >>> On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
> >>>> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance. Only had choice
> >>>> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that
> >>>> basically only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my
> >>>> dentist. Mentioned here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a
> >>>> new partial. Work on teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from. Dentist says he
> >>>> will take any plan so am looking for suggestions. That appliance was
> >>>> about all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense. An insurance
> >>> company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums. With
> >>> a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
> >>> will never even go to the dentist. People who buy individual plans
> >>> generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
> >>> if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced. But when
> >>> you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
> >>> almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
> >>> Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
> >>> look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year. Then look at the
> >>> benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need. Most
> >>> plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
> >>> 50%) than they cover other services. See how much benefit you will get,
> >>> compared to your premium.
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >> Thanks, Steve, and I know that about any insurance. Including subsidy
> >> it was costing about $240 a year and I doubt that dentist would charge
> >> less than this for two cleanings and xrays in a year. So I am thinking
> >> of getting a similar policy and seeing some that seem as low a cost as
> >> what i had and partially cover additional work. I think that is what I
> >> am looking for.
> >>
> >> Unlike medical insurance I could afford any dental work. Last year
> >> without medicare and supplemental it might have cost me half a million
> >> dollars which could never happen with dental.
> >>
> >> Frank
> > I run a dental office and what I tell people looking to buy private insurance is, take the money you would spend to have the plan and put it in a savings account. IF you need it, its there, if you don't, you still have your money. The other part of a private plan is they always have waiting periods, sometimes up to 12 months, because they dont want you to get everything done and then drop the plan. I would never suggest a private plan.
> >
> Thanks. I was in a quandary but decided to just continue with current
> plan. It does completely cover the two cleanings and one xray I get
> every year and with dental costs around here I believe these costs would
> exceed cost of insurance. I also recently had a cavity filled and found
> it does cover about half the cost. I know other coverage is zilch and I
> can afford whatever else I might need.

Can I ask what you pay per month?

On 11/28/2021 11:11 AM, Tin@ wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:30:16 AM UTC-8, Frank wrote:
>> On 11/21/2021 11:59 PM, Tin@ wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:58:50 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
>>>> On 7/14/2021 3:21 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
>>>>> On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance. Only had choice
>>>>>> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that
>>>>>> basically only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my
>>>>>> dentist. Mentioned here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a
>>>>>> new partial. Work on teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from. Dentist says he
>>>>>> will take any plan so am looking for suggestions. That appliance was
>>>>>> about all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense. An insurance
>>>>> company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums. With
>>>>> a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
>>>>> will never even go to the dentist. People who buy individual plans
>>>>> generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
>>>>> if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced. But when
>>>>> you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
>>>>> almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
>>>>> Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
>>>>> look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year. Then look at the
>>>>> benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need. Most
>>>>> plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
>>>>> 50%) than they cover other services. See how much benefit you will get,
>>>>> compared to your premium.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>> Thanks, Steve, and I know that about any insurance. Including subsidy
>>>> it was costing about $240 a year and I doubt that dentist would charge
>>>> less than this for two cleanings and xrays in a year. So I am thinking
>>>> of getting a similar policy and seeing some that seem as low a cost as
>>>> what i had and partially cover additional work. I think that is what I
>>>> am looking for.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike medical insurance I could afford any dental work. Last year
>>>> without medicare and supplemental it might have cost me half a million
>>>> dollars which could never happen with dental.
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>> I run a dental office and what I tell people looking to buy private insurance is, take the money you would spend to have the plan and put it in a savings account. IF you need it, its there, if you don't, you still have your money. The other part of a private plan is they always have waiting periods, sometimes up to 12 months, because they dont want you to get everything done and then drop the plan. I would never suggest a private plan.
>>>
>> Thanks. I was in a quandary but decided to just continue with current
>> plan. It does completely cover the two cleanings and one xray I get
>> every year and with dental costs around here I believe these costs would
>> exceed cost of insurance. I also recently had a cavity filled and found
>> it does cover about half the cost. I know other coverage is zilch and I
>> can afford whatever else I might need.
>
> Can I ask what you pay per month?
>
I believe it is about $23. Former employer had been subsidizing
$200.yr. Company had just been supplying the insurance but switched
several years ago to annual subsidy with us have to purchase insurance
through their assigned agency. I quit my old dentist at the time when
he said he required a 20% copay for six month cleanings and xrays.
Between wife and I we saved a couple of hundred dollars with the new
dentist that does not require copay.

I know a lot of people go without dental insurance as unlike health
insurance a big bill will not bankrupt you.

On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 4:06:43 PM UTC-8, Frank wrote:
> On 11/28/2021 11:11 AM, Tin@ wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 9:30:16 AM UTC-8, Frank wrote:
> >> On 11/21/2021 11:59 PM, Tin@ wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:58:50 AM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
> >>>> On 7/14/2021 3:21 PM, Steven Bornfeld wrote:
> >>>>> On 7/14/2021 12:12 PM, Frank wrote:
> >>>>>> Former employer dropped subsidy for dental insurance. Only had choice
> >>>>>> of two policies and took one with Humana for $20 a month that
> >>>>>> basically only paid for twice a year cleanings and xrays at my
> >>>>>> dentist. Mentioned here it was a shock to have to pay $2,000 for a
> >>>>>> new partial. Work on teeth was not needed, just broke old one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Next year, I see numerous policies to chose from. Dentist says he
> >>>>>> will take any plan so am looking for suggestions. That appliance was
> >>>>>> about all I needed in over 5 years but never know what to expect.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Self-purchased dental plans almost never make sense. An insurance
> >>>>> company is not going to pay out more than it takes in in premiums. With
> >>>>> a large group, the insurance company knows that a certain percentage
> >>>>> will never even go to the dentist. People who buy individual plans
> >>>>> generally know they have significant dental needs. The only advantage is
> >>>>> if a dentist participates in the plan, the fee may be reduced. But when
> >>>>> you look at the yearly maximum benefits, deductibles and copays, it is
> >>>>> almost impossible to get over on an insurance company.
> >>>>> Look at your average yearly dental expenses over several years; then
> >>>>> look at the premium dollars you will pay for a year. Then look at the
> >>>>> benefit for (for example) that partial denture you say you need. Most
> >>>>> plans cover prosthetic devices like dentures at a lower rate (usually
> >>>>> 50%) than they cover other services. See how much benefit you will get,
> >>>>> compared to your premium.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve
> >>>> Thanks, Steve, and I know that about any insurance. Including subsidy
> >>>> it was costing about $240 a year and I doubt that dentist would charge
> >>>> less than this for two cleanings and xrays in a year. So I am thinking
> >>>> of getting a similar policy and seeing some that seem as low a cost as
> >>>> what i had and partially cover additional work. I think that is what I
> >>>> am looking for.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unlike medical insurance I could afford any dental work. Last year
> >>>> without medicare and supplemental it might have cost me half a million
> >>>> dollars which could never happen with dental.
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank
> >>> I run a dental office and what I tell people looking to buy private insurance is, take the money you would spend to have the plan and put it in a savings account. IF you need it, its there, if you don't, you still have your money. The other part of a private plan is they always have waiting periods, sometimes up to 12 months, because they dont want you to get everything done and then drop the plan. I would never suggest a private plan.
> >>>
> >> Thanks. I was in a quandary but decided to just continue with current
> >> plan. It does completely cover the two cleanings and one xray I get
> >> every year and with dental costs around here I believe these costs would
> >> exceed cost of insurance. I also recently had a cavity filled and found
> >> it does cover about half the cost. I know other coverage is zilch and I
> >> can afford whatever else I might need.
> >
> > Can I ask what you pay per month?
> >
> I believe it is about $23. Former employer had been subsidizing
> $200.yr. Company had just been supplying the insurance but switched
> several years ago to annual subsidy with us have to purchase insurance
> through their assigned agency. I quit my old dentist at the time when
> he said he required a 20% copay for six month cleanings and xrays.
> Between wife and I we saved a couple of hundred dollars with the new
> dentist that does not require copay.
>
> I know a lot of people go without dental insurance as unlike health
> insurance a big bill will not bankrupt you.

Not taking co-pays is illegal.