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sci / sci.lang.japan / Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?

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* Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?HenHanna
`* Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?Scott Dorsey
 `- Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?HenHanna

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Subject: Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?
From: HenHanna
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan, news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, news.groups
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 20:17 UTC
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From: HenHanna@devnull.tb (HenHanna)
Newsgroups: sci.lang.japan,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet,news.groups
Subject: Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that
destroyed SLJ)?
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On 10/25/2023 10:09 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article <RJZgNzzq7otMBCT65@bongo-ra.co>,
> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>> Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
>>
>> I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on
>> sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
>> don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter
>> the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters
>> off and you can form your own opinion.
>
> It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on
> comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal
> problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or
> dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
> --scott

so you think Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?

Subject: Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?
From: Scott Dorsey
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From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
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Subject: Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that
destroyed SLJ)?
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In article <v5seg5$m194$1@dont-email.me>,
HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> wrote:
>On 10/25/2023 10:09 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>> In article <RJZgNzzq7otMBCT65@bongo-ra.co>,
>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
>>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>> Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on
>>> sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
>>> don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter
>>> the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters
>>> off and you can form your own opinion.
>>
>> It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on
>> comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal
>> problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or
>> dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
>
>so you think Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?

I didn't see spam being a problem in technical groups because they had so
few Google Groups users that everybody just dropped all Google postings
in the past decade anyway, and of course all the spam came through Google.

Whether it was a problem in s.l.j or how it was a problem or whether
Google being dropped off usenet voluntarily affected s.l.j I have no idea
about because I never read the group.

But currently there is no connection between Google Groups and Usenet and
there is very little spam. Many groups that were inundated with spam and
had a small number of Google users are doing well today.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Subject: Re: Is this the end of SLJ? -- Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?
From: HenHanna
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On 6/30/2024 5:24 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article <v5seg5$m194$1@dont-email.me>,
> HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> wrote:
>> On 10/25/2023 10:09 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> In article <RJZgNzzq7otMBCT65@bongo-ra.co>,
>>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 14:41:20 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>> Is this like comp.arch or comp.lang.c?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure what you're asking. If the question is whether the spam on
>>>> sci.lang.japan is as bad as it is on comp.arch or comp.lang.c , I
>>>> don't know. Try the groups through a server which doesn't seem to filter
>>>> the spam (news.cyber23.de doesn't seem to do so) and with your own filters
>>>> off and you can form your own opinion.
>>>
>>> It is similar spam injected in a similar way. Much like the spam on
>>> comp.os.vms and on comp.protocols.time.ntp. It is more or less a universal
>>> problem across usenet. Many sites sites just dump all Google postings or
>>> dump anything with "UTF-8" in a malformed subject line.
>>
>> so you think Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?
>
> I didn't see spam being a problem in technical groups because they had so
> few Google Groups users that everybody just dropped all Google postings
> in the past decade anyway, and of course all the spam came through Google.
>
> Whether it was a problem in s.l.j or how it was a problem or whether
> Google being dropped off usenet voluntarily affected s.l.j I have no idea
> about because I never read the group.
>
> But currently there is no connection between Google Groups and Usenet and
> there is very little spam. Many groups that were inundated with spam and
> had a small number of Google users are doing well today.
> --scott

so you think Spam was the main factor (that destroyed SLJ)?

from my experience from GG... it seems that Spammers
tended to avoid NG Groups that were actually occupied (and used)

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