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* Unfamiliar kanaSpiros Bousbouras
`* Re: Unfamiliar kanaStefan Ram
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 `* Unfamiliar kana あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙)HenHanna
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Subject: Unfamiliar kana
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I'm going through a manga and I have encountered a kana which looks like
ん but also has 2 small lines on upper right. They look similar (in size ,
position and orientation) to the 2 small lines of じ , ぢ and various
other kana. Can someone tell me what this is ? In case it helps , the text
has 2 successive appearances of the kana.

Subject: Re: Unfamiliar kana
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Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>I'm going through a manga and I have encountered a kana which looks like
>ん but also has 2 small lines on upper right.

This might be a ん (moraic n) with a dakuten.

"In informal writing, dakuten is occasionally used on vowels to
indicate a shocked or strangled articulation; for example, on
あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙) to
indicate a guttural hum, growl, or similar sound." - Wikipedia

Subject: Re: Unfamiliar kana
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On 19 Nov 2023 15:33:12 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:

> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>>I'm going through a manga and I have encountered a kana which looks like
>>ん but also has 2 small lines on upper right.
>
> This might be a ん (moraic n) with a dakuten.
>
> "In informal writing, dakuten is occasionally used on vowels to
> indicate a shocked or strangled articulation; for example, on
> あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙) to
> indicate a guttural hum, growl, or similar sound." - Wikipedia

On a tangent, the dakuten also may be combined with Japanese vowels,
also normally not so modified.

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2016/16133-japanese-voiced-vowels.pdf

Cheers!

jim b.

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Subject: Re: Unfamiliar kana
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On 19 Nov 2023 15:33:12 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
> >I'm going through a manga and I have encountered a kana which looks like
> >ん but also has 2 small lines on upper right.
>
> This might be a ん (moraic n) with a dakuten.
>
> "In informal writing, dakuten is occasionally used on vowels to
> indicate a shocked or strangled articulation; for example, on
> あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙) to
> indicate a guttural hum, growl, or similar sound." - Wikipedia

ん゙ looks right , thanks.

Subject: Unfamiliar kana あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙)
From: HenHanna
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Subject: Unfamiliar kana あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can
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On 11/19/2023 7:33 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>> I'm going through a manga and I have encountered a kana which looks like
>> ん but also has 2 small lines on upper right.
>
> This might be a ん (moraic n) with a dakuten.
>

> "In informal writing, dakuten is occasionally used on vowels to
> indicate a shocked or strangled articulation; for example, on
> あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙) to
> indicate a guttural hum, growl, or similar sound." - Wikipedia
>

北斗の拳:独特の擬音「ひでぶ」「あべし」は当初誤字扱い

 人気マンガ「北斗の拳」で知られるマンガ家の原哲夫さんが8日、六本木ヒルズ(東京都港区)で開かれている「創刊50周年記念
週刊少年ジャンプ展VOL.1」内のイベント「レジェンドトークショー」に登場した。原さんは「北斗の拳」に出てくる有名な擬音「ひでぶ」「あべし」が、編集者から当初「字が間違えているぞ!」と指摘されたという“レジェンド”エピソードを明かした。

Subject: Re: Unfamiliar kana あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙)
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On 3/4/2024 3:39 PM, HenHanna wrote:
> On 11/19/2023 7:33 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>>> I'm going through a manga and I have encountered a kana which looks like
>>> ん  but also has 2 small lines on upper right.
>>
>>    This might be a ん (moraic n) with a dakuten.
>>
>
>
>>    "In informal writing, dakuten is occasionally used on vowels to
>>    indicate a shocked or strangled articulation; for example, on
>>    あ゙ or ゔ. Dakuten can also be occasionally used with ん (ん゙) to
>>    indicate a guttural hum, growl, or similar sound." - Wikipedia
>>
>
>
>
> 北斗の拳:独特の擬音「ひでぶ」「あべし」は当初誤字扱い
>
>
>       人気マンガ「北斗の拳」で知られるマンガ家の原哲夫さんが8日、六本
> 木ヒルズ(東京都港区)で開かれている「創刊50周年記念 週刊少年ジャンプ展
> VOL.1」内のイベント「レジェンドトークショー」に登場した。原さんは「北斗
> の拳」に出てくる有名な擬音「ひでぶ」「あべし」が、編集者から当初「字が間
> 違えているぞ!」と指摘されたという “レジェンド” エピソードを明かした。
>

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