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Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
From: Citizen Winston Smit
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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:11 UTC
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From: sss@example.de (Citizen Winston Smith)
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Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
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On 10/28/2024 11:16 AM, Ed P wrote:
> On 10/28/2024 10:57 AM, Comerciante_Cuatro wrote:
>> Bob F wrote:
>>> Tell us what tRump is going to do about the real problem of global
>>> warming. This is a far more serious problem for the whole world.
>>
>> Climate change is happening on Mars too.
>> Is Cindy's SUV causing it or is it Bill Gates fleet of NetJets?
>
>
> Both are.

Not!

> Seems a few people bring up the lame Mars thing, though it is
> completely unrelated.

No, it is all part of the galactic current sheet perturbation, ergo it
affects earth and all planets in this system to varying degrees.

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
caused by changes in the sun.

‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and
Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from
scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

"Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
[Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

> Burning 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day has consequences.

Indeed it does - 25% more plant cover on earth now!

> Intelligent people can figure it out.

If not, then:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/rising-co2-has-greened-worlds-plants-and-trees/

Earth’s plants and trees have sprouted enough new leaves since the early
1980s to cover twice the area of mainland United States, according to
new research.

The paper, published today in Nature Climate Change, shows that up to
half of the Earth’s vegetation-covered land is now “greener” than it was
30 years ago. Most of the change is down to rising CO2 from human
activity, say the researchers.

Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
From: R Kym Horsell
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In alt.global-warming Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> On 10/28/2024 11:16 AM, Ed P wrote:
>> On 10/28/2024 10:57 AM, Comerciante_Cuatro wrote:
>>> Bob F wrote:
>>>> Tell us what tRump is going to do about the real problem of global
>>>> warming. This is a far more serious problem for the whole world.
>>> Climate change is happening on Mars too.
>>> Is Cindy's SUV causing it or is it Bill Gates fleet of NetJets?
>> Both are.
> Not!
>> Seems a few people bring up the lame Mars thing, though it is
>> completely unrelated.
> No, it is all part of the galactic current sheet perturbation, ergo it
> affects earth and all planets in this system to varying degrees.
.....

(This is me: kaggle.com/kymhorsell1).

Climate change happens on any planet with GHG in its atm AND those levels
are changing over time. Kinda obviously.

Most planets have GHG in their atm because almost any gas with more
than 2 atoms in its molecule interacts with the EM frequency related
to infra red EM radiation aka heat. So up-coming IR from the planet will
get 1/2 bounced back down again increasing the amount of heat trapped
nr the surface over what it would have been without any GHG.

Solar particles (protons, electrons, neutrons, others) OTOH affect the
earth in terms of cloud formation and earthquakes.

If solar protons &ct have such a pronounced (supposed) *warming* affect
then it should be childsplay for a genius of sign erros such as yourself
to pick out a year of record magnetic disturbances on earth from a list
of global temperatures:

0.123956
0.110713
0.0407322
-0.00615075
0.00424683
0.133814
-0.0467377
-0.100167
-0.165973
-0.0245694
-0.0180841
0.0993726
0.0823647
-0.002446
0.0484388
0.125239
0.0250616
0.0288698
-0.00407283
-0.00589917
-0.038111
-0.0263859
-0.0514804
0.307087

One of these years is 1869. It might be the first. It might be the last.
It might be one in the middle. But which one?

If there is a supposed big effect then point it out because it should
be obvious.
Of course the "theory" in question is apparently based on a confusion between
photons and protons aided by at least 2 sign errors. So maybe not.

As another thing to think about (loosest possible sense) we can look
at how extreme solar flares affect the earth's climate.
They must be killers!

But it turns out comparing either the number of X events or their
flux against global temperatures finds there is either no
relationship or they have a cooling effect (we suspect from cloud
formation) and therefore are the opposite of the increasing fossil
GHG aka Global Warming.

Comparing X flare flux and global temps 97-2016:
Durbin-Watson d = 0.596645
d < dL (1.667467): Positive auto-corr at 5%
y = -1.384969e+00*x + 6.896884e+01
beta in -1.38497 +- 1.12835 = [-2.51332, -0.256618]
T-test: P(beta<0) = 0.978096
Rank test: calculated Spearman corr = -0.100070
Crit val 0.306 2-sided at 5%; accept H0:not connected
r2 = 0.01762799

(Random sample of data lines):
Y.M Av X flux Glb 1/100th C Linear model
1998.38 1.20626 68 67.2982
1998.46 0.297397 77 68.557
2001.04 0.6793 46 68.028**(model +2sd)
2001.21 1.56146 56 66.8063*
2002.04 1.50463 77 66.885
2002.12 1.00234 78 67.5806*(-1sd)
2003.12 0.251612 58 68.6204*(+1sd)
2003.21 0.631599 60 68.0941
2004.12 0.26585 73 68.6006
2004.21 0.299488 63 68.5541
2005.29 0.064776 67 68.8791
2005.38 0.679591 63 68.0276
2006.29 0.29558 47 68.5595**
2006.38 0.020482 48 68.9405**
2007.29 0.007485 76 68.9585
2007.38 0.047785 69 68.9027
2008.38 0.000335 49 68.9684*
2008.88 0.002244 68 68.9657
2009.88 0.001631 79 68.9666
2009.96 0.036867 67 68.9178
2011.12 0.588972 48 68.1531*
2011.21 0.974257 65 67.6195
2012.04 1.19791 49 67.3098*
2012.12 0.162587 49 68.7437*
2012.96 0.110233 52 68.8162*
2013.04 0.232291 71 68.6471
2013.96 0.66324 70 68.0503
2014.04 1.4608 76 66.9457
2015.46 0.876849 81 67.7544*
2015.54 0.14239 73 68.7716
2012.21 2.32093 58 65.7544
2012.29 0.218994 73 68.6655
2013.12 0.134062 62 68.7832
2013.21 0.244276 67 68.6305
2014.04 1.4608 76 66.9457
2014.12 1.70457 55 66.6081*
2014.96 1.54631 77 66.8273*
2015.04 0.71948 86 67.9724*
2015.88 0.363123 106 68.4659**
2015.96 0.635168 116 68.0892**
2016.79 0.023527 88 68.9363*
2016.88 0.026588 92 68.932**

So it seems x-flare flux has a cooling effect if anything,
but does not predict the amount of cooling (i.e. the rank
test from the ARMA regr fails).

Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
From: Citizen Winston Smit
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair, rec.food.cooking, sci.environment, alt.global-warming
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:22 UTC
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From: sss@example.de (Citizen Winston Smith)
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On 10/30/2024 12:06 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> In alt.global-warming Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>> On 10/28/2024 11:16 AM, Ed P wrote:
>>> On 10/28/2024 10:57 AM, Comerciante_Cuatro wrote:
>>>> Bob F wrote:
>>>>> Tell us what tRump is going to do about the real problem of global
>>>>> warming. This is a far more serious problem for the whole world.
>>>> Climate change is happening on Mars too.
>>>> Is Cindy's SUV causing it or is it Bill Gates fleet of NetJets?
>>> Both are.
>> Not!
>>> Seems a few people bring up the lame Mars thing, though it is
>>> completely unrelated.
>> No, it is all part of the galactic current sheet perturbation, ergo it
>> affects earth and all planets in this system to varying degrees.
> ....
>
> (This is me: kaggle.com/kymhorsell1).
>
> Climate change happens on any planet with GHG in its atm

The sun controls all, not the scapegoat of GHG.

Which you will NOT find on all these planets in our solar system.

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
2006.

Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar
system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that
potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper
atmosphere from the outside.

https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000
kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should
theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
thousands of kilometres per hour.

The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
caused by changes in the sun.

‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and
Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from
scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

"Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
[Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
edition of the journal Nature.

"Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said
planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
is in a period between ice ages," he said.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
of water ice.

Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
From: Citizen Winston Smit
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On 10/30/2024 12:06 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> (This is me: kaggle.com/kymhorsell1).

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
2006.

Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar
system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that
potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper
atmosphere from the outside.

https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000
kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should
theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
thousands of kilometres per hour.

The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
caused by changes in the sun.

‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and
Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from
scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

"Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
[Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
edition of the journal Nature.

"Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said
planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
is in a period between ice ages," he said.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
of water ice.

Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
From: R Kym Horsell
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In alt.global-warming Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> On 10/30/2024 12:06 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
>> In alt.global-warming Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>> On 10/28/2024 11:16 AM, Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 10/28/2024 10:57 AM, Comerciante_Cuatro wrote:
>>>>> Bob F wrote:
>>>>>> Tell us what tRump is going to do about the real problem of global
>>>>>> warming. This is a far more serious problem for the whole world.
>>>>> Climate change is happening on Mars too.
>>>>> Is Cindy's SUV causing it or is it Bill Gates fleet of NetJets?
>>>> Both are.
>>> Not!
>>>> Seems a few people bring up the lame Mars thing, though it is
>>>> completely unrelated.
>>> No, it is all part of the galactic current sheet perturbation, ergo it
>>> affects earth and all planets in this system to varying degrees.
>> ....
>>
>> (This is me: kaggle.com/kymhorsell1).
>>
>> Climate change happens on any planet with GHG in its atm
>
> The sun controls all, not the scapegoat of GHG.
....

He who controls the GHG controls how much heat coming up from
the earth is reflected back to the earth.

Hence while the sun has been getting less active (i.e.
the number of sunspots) over the past 50y the global temp has
still been increasing.

Maybe your Pr packet dates back to the 1970s and doesnt cover
all the material. :)

I await with interest your picking out the year of the Carrington event
from that list I've posted.

It's time to put up dimwit.

--
Climate Change: Incoming Sunlight | NOAA Climate.gov
Yearly total solar irradiance (orange line) from 1610-2020 and the annual
global temperature compared to the 20th-century average (red line) from
1880-2020. Since the middle of the 20th-century, solar activity has
declined while global temperature increased rapidly.
-- www.climate.gov

Subject: Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.
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On 10/30/2024 12:33 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
> He who controls the GHG controls how much heat coming up from
> the earth is reflected back to the earth.

Bullshit LIE!

The sun controls all!

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
2006.

Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar
system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that
potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper
atmosphere from the outside.

https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000
kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should
theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
thousands of kilometres per hour.

The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
caused by changes in the sun.

‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and
Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from
scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

"Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
[Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
edition of the journal Nature.

"Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said
planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
is in a period between ice ages," he said.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
of water ice.

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