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Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
From: Loran
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 22:54 UTC
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From: loran@invalid.net (Loran)
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Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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Dhu on Gate wrote:
> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>
> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>
> Dhu
>

"Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use hydrogen.
However, we know from nature that biological catalysts function can be
highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to improve the way that
we use hydrogen?"

Why not?

We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
From: Dhu on Gate
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From: campbell@neotext.ca (Dhu on Gate)
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Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:

> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>>
>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>
>> Dhu
>>
>
> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use hydrogen.
> However, we know from nature that biological catalysts function can be
> highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to improve the way that
> we use hydrogen?"
>
> Why not?
>
> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!

Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.

We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET
to accomplish our survival as a Species.

Dhu

--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
Duncan Patton a Campbell

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
From: Loran
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Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 17:00 UTC
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From: loran@invalid.net (Loran)
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Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>
>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>>>
>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>
>>> Dhu
>>>
>>
>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use hydrogen.
>> However, we know from nature that biological catalysts function can be
>> highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to improve the way that
>> we use hydrogen?"
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>
> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.

Not if we use a contained venue.

No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice big
contained medium to work in.

> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET
> to accomplish our survival as a Species.
>
> Dhu

That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.

Got one in mind?

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:00:41 -0600, Loran wrote:

> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>
>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>>>>
>>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>>
>>>> Dhu
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use hydrogen.
>>> However, we know from nature that biological catalysts function can be
>>> highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to improve the way that
>>> we use hydrogen?"
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>>
>> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.
>
> Not if we use a contained venue.
>
>
> No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
> dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice big
> contained medium to work in.
>
>
>> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET
>> to accomplish our survival as a Species.
>>
>> Dhu
>
> That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
> compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.
>
> Got one in mind?

Ringworlds. We don't have the materials to make big ones yet, but
something of the mass of the ISS with a one-G spin is easily within
our current tech.

Dhu

--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
Duncan Patton a Campbell

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
From: Loran
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Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:00:41 -0600, Loran wrote:
>
>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use hydrogen.
>>>> However, we know from nature that biological catalysts function can be
>>>> highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to improve the way that
>>>> we use hydrogen?"
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>>
>>>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>>>
>>> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.
>>
>> Not if we use a contained venue.
>>
>>
>> No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
>> dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice big
>> contained medium to work in.
>>
>>
>>> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET
>>> to accomplish our survival as a Species.
>>>
>>> Dhu
>>
>> That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
>> compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.
>>
>> Got one in mind?
>
> Ringworlds. We don't have the materials to make big ones yet, but
> something of the mass of the ISS with a one-G spin is easily within
> our current tech.
>
> Dhu

How many dimensions is it effective in?

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
From: Dhu on Gate
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From: campbell@neotext.ca (Dhu on Gate)
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:07:10 -0600, Loran wrote:

> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:00:41 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>
>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use
>>>>> hydrogen. However, we know from nature that biological catalysts
>>>>> function can be highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to
>>>>> improve the way that we use hydrogen?"
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>
>>>>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>>>>
>>>> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.
>>>
>>> Not if we use a contained venue.
>>>
>>>
>>> No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
>>> dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice big
>>> contained medium to work in.
>>>
>>>
>>>> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET to accomplish
>>>> our survival as a Species.
>>>>
>>>> Dhu
>>>
>>> That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
>>> compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.
>>>
>>> Got one in mind?
>>
>> Ringworlds. We don't have the materials to make big ones yet, but
>> something of the mass of the ISS with a one-G spin is easily within our
>> current tech.
>>
>> Dhu
>
> How many dimensions is it effective in?

Four that I know of ;)

Dhu

--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
Duncan Patton a Campbell

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:07:10 -0600, Loran wrote:
>
>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:00:41 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon fuels:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use
>>>>>> hydrogen. However, we know from nature that biological catalysts
>>>>>> function can be highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these to
>>>>>> improve the way that we use hydrogen?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.
>>>>
>>>> Not if we use a contained venue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
>>>> dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice big
>>>> contained medium to work in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET to accomplish
>>>>> our survival as a Species.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dhu
>>>>
>>>> That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
>>>> compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Got one in mind?
>>>
>>> Ringworlds. We don't have the materials to make big ones yet, but
>>> something of the mass of the ISS with a one-G spin is easily within our
>>> current tech.
>>>
>>> Dhu
>>
>> How many dimensions is it effective in?
>
> Four that I know of ;)
>
> Dhu
>
Are you into cymatics?

Subject: Re: A Good Way to Cook the Oceans Permanently
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On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 10:21:11 -0600, Loran wrote:

> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:07:10 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>
>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:00:41 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon
>>>>>>>> fuels:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use
>>>>>>> hydrogen. However, we know from nature that biological catalysts
>>>>>>> function can be highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these
>>>>>>> to improve the way that we use hydrogen?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if we use a contained venue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
>>>>> dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice
>>>>> big contained medium to work in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET to accomplish
>>>>>> our survival as a Species.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>
>>>>> That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
>>>>> compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got one in mind?
>>>>
>>>> Ringworlds. We don't have the materials to make big ones yet, but
>>>> something of the mass of the ISS with a one-G spin is easily within
>>>> our current tech.
>>>>
>>>> Dhu
>>>
>>> How many dimensions is it effective in?
>>
>> Four that I know of ;)
>>
>> Dhu
>>
> Are you into cymatics?

No.
Never heard of it before, tho' I've observed these phenomenon times past.

"Music and physics are magically intertwined. The sounds made by musical
instruments are possible because of standing waves, which are two waves
moving in opposite directions."

Dhu

--
Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais.
C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-)
Duncan Patton a Campbell

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Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 10:21:11 -0600, Loran wrote:
>
>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:07:10 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:00:41 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 16:54:34 -0600, Loran wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Let's Crisperize the Ocean's Archaea to replace Hydrocarbon
>>>>>>>>> fuels:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-scientists-secrets-life-energy.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Industry currently uses precious chemical catalysts to use
>>>>>>>> hydrogen. However, we know from nature that biological catalysts
>>>>>>>> function can be highly efficient and resilient. Can we use these
>>>>>>>> to improve the way that we use hydrogen?"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We make biofuels with biomass, so...scale it out!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because if we fuck up the oceans the lot of us are Dead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not if we use a contained venue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one is going to catalyze the oceans (we pray) but we might take a
>>>>>> dead saline body of water like say the Salton Sea and have a nice
>>>>>> big contained medium to work in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're better off exporting these organisms OFF PLANET to accomplish
>>>>>>> our survival as a Species.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dhu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That presumes a planet with an abundance of the needed components, a
>>>>>> compatible and nurturing atmosphere and tolerant climate, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got one in mind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ringworlds. We don't have the materials to make big ones yet, but
>>>>> something of the mass of the ISS with a one-G spin is easily within
>>>>> our current tech.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dhu
>>>>
>>>> How many dimensions is it effective in?
>>>
>>> Four that I know of ;)
>>>
>>> Dhu
>>>
>> Are you into cymatics?
>
> No.
> Never heard of it before, tho' I've observed these phenomenon times past.

Think the old drawing toy spirograph - sound waves represented in
graphic form on a fluid table or with metal filings and vibrations..

432hz rules;

https://youtu.be/Up3X5dtnCus

https://youtu.be/wE6A3rmuet0

> "Music and physics are magically intertwined. The sounds made by musical
> instruments are possible because of standing waves, which are two waves
> moving in opposite directions."
>
> Dhu

Yes indeed - you sir are ready for some Dutchsinse:

https://youtu.be/pSNK6uBx9V0

https://youtu.be/txQFnGZvuHo

The standing wave intersects are where the confliction lies.

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