On 2/10/2014 12:28 AM, Dale wrote:
> having worked there
>
> consumer film was where the big money was
>
> too often consumer systems were developed and then a professional system
> was hacked out of it
>
> as opposed to developing professional systems and watering them down for
> consumer applications
>
> would have taken some quick work too keep up with the consumer demand,
> but Kodak was big enough to keep up with that I think
>
> then there is the general USA/UN/WTO issue of fair trade versus free
> trade allowing cheap imports from places with less consideration of
> workers and environmentalism, etc.
>
> but Kodak had plants in Mexico after NAFTA, so they should have been
> able to invest that consumer film money better I think
>

this thread isn't from me ...

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On May 19, 2021, Dale wrote
(in article <s83les$2qd$2@dont-email.me>):

> On 2/10/2014 12:28 AM, Dale wrote:
> > having worked there

<anchient
>
> this thread isn't from me ...

Then the mystery, as to why you chose to post this seven year old, obviously dead, cross posted screed to sci.engr.color, sci.image.processing, rec.photo.darkroom, rec.photo.digital, and comp.soft-sys.matlab remains.

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On 19/05/2021 20:46, Savageduck wrote:
> On May 19, 2021, Dale wrote (in article
> <s83les$2qd$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 2/10/2014 12:28 AM, Dale wrote:
>>> having worked there
>
> <anchient
>>
>> this thread isn't from me ...
>
> Then the mystery, as to why you chose to post this seven year old,
> obviously dead, cross posted screed to sci.engr.color,
> sci.image.processing, rec.photo.darkroom, rec.photo.digital, and
> comp.soft-sys.matlab remains.
>
To promote his clickbait website perhaps?

Kodak PCD digital scanning service was well ahead of the game at one
point and Bryce Bayer one shot colour mask designer worked for Kodak.

I recall the Kodak transition to digital cameras as an early adopter. I
got a massively discounted DC-120 1Mpixel camera "remaindered" when they
launched the confusingly named DC-210 a couple of months later.

Kodak marketing department really knew how to shoot themselves in the
foot with both barrels. Almost as bad as IBM with the PS/2 OS/2 debacle.

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In article <s83s98$edf$4@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Kodak PCD digital scanning service was well ahead of the game at one
> point

hah, pcd was never ahead of anything. it was dead from the start.

> and Bryce Bayer one shot colour mask designer worked for Kodak.

long ago, yes. he invented what is now known as the bayer mask.

> I recall the Kodak transition to digital cameras as an early adopter. I
> got a massively discounted DC-120 1Mpixel camera "remaindered" when they
> launched the confusingly named DC-210 a couple of months later.

120 and 210 confuse you? seriously???

were you confused that canon had a d30 and 30d?
or that canon and nikon both had a d60?
or maybe that canon had a 300d and nikon had a d300?

or that linksys had a wrt54g and wtr54g router?

or that asus has a 68u and 86u wifi router?

> Kodak marketing department really knew how to shoot themselves in the
> foot with both barrels. Almost as bad as IBM with the PS/2 OS/2 debacle.

that was *very* different in many ways.

everyone, including kodak, knew that digital was going to make film
obsolete.

the problem was that kodak's management was incredibly stupid and
thought it would take much longer than it actually did.

it also didn't help that kodak's digital cameras were not competitive,
with the most convoluted user interface anyone could possibly have come
up with. i remember having to dig through 4-5 levels of menus to be
able to change the shutter speed. clearly a design by committee and not
by actual users. instant fail.

a better comparison would be with blackberry, which was once the most
popular smartphone.

when rim/blackberry first saw the iphone, they didn't think it would
amount to much, further confirmed by seeing their sales go up for a
year or two, only to be hit with reality.

everyone else saw the iphone train coming. they didn't.

even google knew the iphone was the future. android was originally
going to be a blackberry clone, and when they saw the iphone, they
immediately shifted gears and copied the iphone instead.

<http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/11/Android_before_after_iphone.png>

On 19/05/2021 22:21, nospam wrote:
> In article <s83s98$edf$4@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Kodak PCD digital scanning service was well ahead of the game at one
>> point
>
> hah, pcd was never ahead of anything. it was dead from the start.

It was very good at the time it was first introduced. You don't known
what you are talking about so you must be the real Dale.
>
>> and Bryce Bayer one shot colour mask designer worked for Kodak.
>
> long ago, yes. he invented what is now known as the bayer mask.
>
>> I recall the Kodak transition to digital cameras as an early adopter. I
>> got a massively discounted DC-120 1Mpixel camera "remaindered" when they
>> launched the confusingly named DC-210 a couple of months later.
>
> 120 and 210 confuse you? seriously???

It confused the hell out of their UK *dealers* who immediately
remaindered the older model. I benefited nicely from their confusion.

> were you confused that canon had a d30 and 30d?
> or that canon and nikon both had a d60?
> or maybe that canon had a 300d and nikon had a d300?
>
> or that linksys had a wrt54g and wtr54g router?
>
> or that asus has a 68u and 86u wifi router?
>
>> Kodak marketing department really knew how to shoot themselves in the
>> foot with both barrels. Almost as bad as IBM with the PS/2 OS/2 debacle.
>
> that was *very* different in many ways.
>
> everyone, including kodak, knew that digital was going to make film
> obsolete.

They did fuck all about it though. Digital photography development was
deliberately held back to protect the lucrative wet chemistry film
market. They badly misjudged how long they had remaining.

I had abandoned Kodak film for the much better Fuji film by then anyway
and I suspect I was not alone in doing that.

> the problem was that kodak's management was incredibly stupid and
> thought it would take much longer than it actually did.
>
> it also didn't help that kodak's digital cameras were not competitive,
> with the most convoluted user interface anyone could possibly have come
> up with. i remember having to dig through 4-5 levels of menus to be
> able to change the shutter speed. clearly a design by committee and not
> by actual users. instant fail.
>
> a better comparison would be with blackberry, which was once the most
> popular smartphone.
>
> when rim/blackberry first saw the iphone, they didn't think it would
> amount to much, further confirmed by seeing their sales go up for a
> year or two, only to be hit with reality.
>
> everyone else saw the iphone train coming. they didn't.
>
> even google knew the iphone was the future. android was originally
> going to be a blackberry clone, and when they saw the iphone, they
> immediately shifted gears and copied the iphone instead.
>
> <http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/11/Android_before_after_iphone.png>

They were not alone - Polaroid committed suicide in much the same way.

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