In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
<clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:

>On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt
><HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>
>>On 11/22/2024 8:57 PM, micky wrote:
>>> My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
>>> air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
>>> bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
>>> one.
>>>
>>> But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
>>> short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
>>> tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
>>> press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
>>> have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
>>> that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
>>> place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
>>> chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
>>>
>>> It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
>>> that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
>>> I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
>>> disconnecting them and confusing myself.
>>>
>>> This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
>>> day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
>>> on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
>>> see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
>>> the problem today.
>>>
>>
>>I was able to find and download the service manual for this item at:
>>
>>https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl

Thanks. Very helpful.
>>
>>Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
>>English.

The Japanese part? I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
his company.

> The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
>>the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
>>supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
>>power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
>>digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
>>extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
>>have missed something.
>>
>>Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
>>disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears

It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.

>>to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
>>many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
>>anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
>>for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
>>already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.

A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.

This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee. But one of
he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
different recording. That's pretty important. At least I do it all the
time.

Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
now 5 more days to run but started at $15. Seveal are listed as Tested,
but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote. But even the
ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything? maybe
must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons. A
fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.) Did they even connect a TV to
see if something was coming out the other end? They all promise in the
standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
channels without the remote. So they assume it works but I'll have to
ship it back if it doesn't.
>

On 11/24/2024 8:29 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
> <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/22/2024 8:57 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working. It's a DVDR with an over the
>>>> air tuner and a HDD. I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
>>>> bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
>>>> short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
>>>> tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
>>>> press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
>>>> have to be working a little for tray to go in? Maybe it's the display
>>>> that has broken? I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
>>>> place works fine. The owners manual says nothing about a fuse. Any
>>>> chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
>>>>
>>>> It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
>>>> that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
>>>> I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
>>>> disconnecting them and confusing myself.
>>>>
>>>> This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3 hours of video a day every
>>>> day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
>>>> on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it. You can
>>>> see why I thought the HDD would fail. Yet I don't think that could be
>>>> the problem today.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I was able to find and download the service manual for this item at:
>>>
>>> https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl
>
> Thanks. Very helpful.
>>>
>>> Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
>>> English.
>
> The Japanese part? I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
> That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
> his company.
>
>> The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
>>> the manual. It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
>>> supplies. That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
>>> power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
>>> digital power supply). I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
>>> extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
>>> have missed something.
>>>
>>> Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
>>> disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse. This appears
>
> It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.
>
>>> to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
>>> many ICs etc. Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
>>> anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
>>> for a fully retired person. Nothing to lose. You can't break it! It's
>>> already not functioning. You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.
>
> A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
> would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
> Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.
>
> This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
> they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee. But one of
> he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
> he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
> different recording. That's pretty important. At least I do it all the
> time.
>
> Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
> bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
> versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
> now 5 more days to run but started at $15. Seveal are listed as Tested,
> but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
> There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote. But even the
> ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything? maybe
> must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
> the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons. A
> fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.) Did they even connect a TV to
> see if something was coming out the other end? They all promise in the
> standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
> channels without the remote. So they assume it works but I'll have to
> ship it back if it doesn't.
>>

I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
on for scheduled shows.

Bob F wrote:
> On 11/24/2024 8:29 AM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
>> <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/22/2024 8:57 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>> My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working.  It's a DVDR with an over the
>>>>> air tuner and a HDD.  I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
>>>>> bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
>>>>> short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
>>>>> tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
>>>>> press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it. Doesn't it
>>>>> have to be working a little for tray to go in?  Maybe it's the display
>>>>> that has broken?   I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he same
>>>>> place works fine.   The owners manual says nothing about a fuse.  Any
>>>>> chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little red bug
>>>>> that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing this,
>>>>> I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
>>>>> disconnecting them and confusing myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3  hours of video a day every
>>>>> day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I left it
>>>>> on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it.  You can
>>>>> see why I thought the HDD would fail.  Yet I don't think that could be
>>>>> the problem today.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was able to find and download the service manual for this item at:
>>>>
>>>> https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl
>>
>> Thanks.  Very helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text into
>>>> English.
>>
>> The Japanese part?  I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
>> That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
>> his company.
>>
>>> The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
>>>> the manual.  It appears that there are separate analog and digital power
>>>> supplies.  That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
>>>> power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered by the
>>>> digital power supply).  I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
>>>> extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I may
>>>> have missed something.
>>>>
>>>> Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
>>>> disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse.  This appears
>>
>> It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.
>>
>>>> to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards using
>>>> many ICs etc.  Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
>>>> anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate activity
>>>> for a fully retired person.  Nothing to lose.  You can't break it!  It's
>>>> already not functioning.  You can prossibly find a replacement on ebay.
>>
>> A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
>> would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
>> Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.
>>
>> This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
>> they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee.  But one of
>> he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
>> he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
>> different recording. That's pretty important.  At least I do it all the
>> time.
>>
>> Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
>> bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
>> versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
>> now 5 more days to run but started at $15.  Seveal are listed as Tested,
>> but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
>> There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote.  But even the
>> ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything?  maybe
>> must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
>> the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons.  A
>> fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.)  Did they even connect a TV to
>> see if something was coming out the other end?   They all promise in the
>> standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
>> channels without the remote.  So they assume it works but I'll have to
>> ship it back if it doesn't.
>>>
>
> I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
> (SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
> on for scheduled shows.

I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

On 11/25/2024 6:15 AM, Orca Winfrey wrote:

> I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
> Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.
>
>

The major telcom TV providers, e.g., Comcast, Verizon, etc. want you to
rent their DVRs for at least $10/mo. and subscribe to their over-priced
bundle of channels rather than use your own DVR to record over-the-air
broadcasts in areas where OTA reception is available. (In cases when
they stream their programs over the internet, unless you find an
illegal, pirated way to watch, you still need to subscribe to have
access through their paywall.) They or their family of companies own
many of the OTA stations. No surprise that they will DRM encrypt their
broadcast signals to force people to purchase their channel packages and
rent their equipment. Of course, their stable of high priced lobbyists,
intellectual property and corporate lawyers have won the day in
Congress, at the FCC, and in the courts. It seems broadcasters no
longer need even to pretend to perform a public service. They only need
to serve the best interests of their shareholders. I understand the
need to protect intellectual property and collect royalties etc. but
their strategy to bundle etc. enables them to charge well beyond their
costs + a reasonable profit.

On 11/25/2024 3:15 AM, Orca Winfrey wrote:
> Bob F wrote:
>> On 11/24/2024 8:29 AM, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:58:11 -0500, Clare Snyder
>>> <clare@snyder.on.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:31:38 -0500, Retirednoguilt
>>>> <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/22/2024 8:57 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> My Philips DVDR3575H just stopped working.  It's a DVDR with an
>>>>>> over the
>>>>>> air tuner and a HDD.  I figured the HDD would fail and soon after I
>>>>>> bought it I found on a video forum instructions for installing a new
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But instead, the whole thing went dead. Worked yesterday and two or 3
>>>>>> short power failures today. Now nothing displays. I had found the DVD
>>>>>> tray open (because I run it from another roomy and don't know when I
>>>>>> press the wrong button) but it went in fine when I pushed it.
>>>>>> Doesn't it
>>>>>> have to be working a little for tray to go in?  Maybe it's the
>>>>>> display
>>>>>> that has broken?   I checked the outlet and a lamp plugged into he
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> place works fine.   The owners manual says nothing about a fuse.  Any
>>>>>> chance ther is one anyhow, and somehow the power failure blew it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all wired in and hard to disconnect, especially the little
>>>>>> red bug
>>>>>> that's stuck to the IR input. And if there is no chance of fixing
>>>>>> this,
>>>>>> I'll just buy something else and tranfeer the wires, instead of
>>>>>> disconnecting them and confusing myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is 15 years old and I recorded 2 or 3  hours of video a day
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> day for most of its life, then played the 2 or 3 hours, plus I
>>>>>> left it
>>>>>> on when watching tv live, and often when I was't even using it.
>>>>>> You can
>>>>>> see why I thought the HDD would fail.  Yet I don't think that
>>>>>> could be
>>>>>> the problem today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was able to find and download the service manual for this item at:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://elektrotanya.com/philips_dvdr3570h_dvdr3590h_ver.1.4.pdf/download.html#dl
>>>
>>> Thanks.  Very helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your browser/pdf reader of choice may be able to translate the text
>>>>> into
>>>>> English.
>>>
>>> The Japanese part?  I don't think so. But almost all is in Engish.
>>> That's just the guy who sent it in wanting credit for himself and maybe
>>> his company.
>>>
>>>> The schematics and block diagrams are located fair far down in
>>>>> the manual.  It appears that there are separate analog and digital
>>>>> power
>>>>> supplies.  That might explain why the tray still opens/closes (analog
>>>>> power supply working) but nothing else (they probably are powered
>>>>> by the
>>>>> digital power supply).  I didn't see any fuses but the circuity is
>>>>> extensive, lots of pin connectors separating the connections, and I
>>>>> may
>>>>> have missed something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your decision of course how much it's worth in time, effort and $$ to
>>>>> disconnect the device, open the case, and look for a fuse.  This
>>>>> appears
>>>
>>> It's worth endless effort, assuming I have some chance of success.
>>>
>>>>> to be a very complicated conglomeration of multiple circuit boards
>>>>> using
>>>>> many ICs etc.  Well beyond my experience and knowledge to suggest
>>>>> anything additional. Personally, it sounds like an appropriate
>>>>> activity
>>>>> for a fully retired person.  Nothing to lose.  You can't break it!
>>>>> It's
>>>>> already not functioning.  You can prossibly find a replacement on
>>>>> ebay.
>>>
>>> A few years after I got this, I looked for another because I knew this
>>> would fail someday, and there were only 1 or 2 alternatives DVDR's with
>>> Hardrive, and one was $600 and even it had some4thing I didn't like.
>>>
>>> This week, when I first looked on ebay, before posting here, I found
>>> they were no selling for 30 to 70 dollars, on ebay. Whoopee.  But one of
>>> he ebay models I found on Amazon complete with a video review in which
>>> he pointed out that one could not play one recording while watching a
>>> different recording. That's pretty important.  At least I do it all the
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
>>> bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
>>> versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
>>> now 5 more days to run but started at $15.  Seveal are listed as Tested,
>>> but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
>>> There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote.  But even the
>>> ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything?  maybe
>>> must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
>>> the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons.  A
>>> fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.)  Did they even connect a TV to
>>> see if something was coming out the other end?   They all promise in the
>>> standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
>>> channels without the remote.  So they assume it works but I'll have to
>>> ship it back if it doesn't.
>>>>
>>
>> I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC
>> or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
>> (SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on
>> the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler
>> turns it on for scheduled shows.
>
> I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but
> 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
> Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively
> killing the DVR.

Who do you have to "subscribe" to to get them?

Or, does this just block off recording?

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 24 11:15:57 UTC, Orca Winfrey
<orca@noise.msm> wrote:

>
>>> Going back to ebay, this time I searched on Philips and found a whole
>>> bunch of things I hadn't found before, including 9, count 'em, 9
>>> versions of just what I have now, ranging from a real auction that has
>>> now 5 more days to run but started at $15.  Seveal are listed as Tested,
>>> but only 4 of the 9 have remotes, and the box itself only has 5 buttons.
>>> There is not much one can do, or test, without the remote.  But even the
>>> ones that have remotes, am I to think they tested everything?  maybe
>>> must that it turned on and the screen said Playing and Record (two of
>>> the 5 buttons) and the DVD drawer opend (one more of the 5 buttons.  A
>>> fourth is Power and the fifst is Stop.)  Did they even connect a TV to
>>> see if something was coming out the other end?   They all promise in the
>>> standards for Used that it works completely, but they can't even change
>>> channels without the remote.  So they assume it works but I'll have to
>>> ship it back if it doesn't.
>>>>
>>
>> I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
>> (SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
>> on for scheduled shows.
>
>I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
>Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.

The current rule is that some time in spring of 2028 they will be
allowed to stop transmitting atsc1, but they left open that they may
change the rule, which I assume means delay it longer.

There still are a lot of cities where there is no atsc3, and more
importantly, it's not backward compatible, so they will either have 300
million obsolete tvs or they'll have to have another converter box
giveaway.

I came across a youtube channel by the antennaman or antenna man. Easy
to find in youtube. He's clear, easy to watch, concise, not bloated,
and he has one among many where he talks about atsc3.

I've thought about this a bit before buying a new 15-year old dvdr, but
I'm going by my usual rule, to assume nothing will ever change until
after I'm dead, say 2052. By then even my new old dvdr will have
failed.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:18:55 -0800, Bob F
<bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
>network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
>(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
>TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
>on for scheduled shows.

That sounds like a great system.

I thought about that for myself a few years back but it would take a lot
more work than just replacing the DVDR. Because all the incoming and
outgoig wires go to my bedroom, and all my video and audio stuff is on a
bookshelf next to my bed, and the computer is in anoher room. I looked
into controlling the computer from my bedroom.

I copied the HdHomeRun and the SageTV and if I ever can't replace the
DVDR or I move to an old-people storage facility, I may do it your way.

BTW. back to my original post, since I get no output from the harddrive
or the DVD, and the foot counter indicates that the HDD is progressing,
it means that some output circuit has failed and the harddrive is still
working after 15 years of heavy use. I'm very impressed.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:25:36 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:18:55 -0800, Bob F
><bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
>>network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
>>(SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
>>TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
>>on for scheduled shows.
>
>That sounds like a great system.
>
>I thought about that for myself a few years back but it would take a lot
>more work than just replacing the DVDR. Because all the incoming and
>outgoig wires go to my bedroom, and all my video and audio stuff is on a
>bookshelf next to my bed, and the computer is in anoher room. I looked
>into controlling the computer from my bedroom.
>
>I copied the HdHomeRun and the SageTV and if I ever can't replace the
>DVDR or I move to an old-people storage facility, I may do it your way.

https://www.sagetv.com/

We’re thrilled to announce that SageTV has been acquired by Google.

We're also now thrilled that Google let us open source the SageTV
platform! The source code is now available on GitHub......

The SageTV Forums can be accessed here

On 11/25/2024 9:30 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 25 Nov 2024 12:25:36 -0500, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 24 Nov 2024 09:18:55 -0800, Bob F
>> <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or
>>> network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
>>> (SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the
>>> TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns it
>>> on for scheduled shows.
>>
>> That sounds like a great system.
>>
>> I thought about that for myself a few years back but it would take a lot
>> more work than just replacing the DVDR. Because all the incoming and
>> outgoig wires go to my bedroom, and all my video and audio stuff is on a
>> bookshelf next to my bed, and the computer is in anoher room. I looked
>> into controlling the computer from my bedroom.
>>
>> I copied the HdHomeRun and the SageTV and if I ever can't replace the
>> DVDR or I move to an old-people storage facility, I may do it your way.
>
> https://www.sagetv.com/
>
> We’re thrilled to announce that SageTV has been acquired by Google.
>
> We're also now thrilled that Google let us open source the SageTV
> platform! The source code is now available on GitHub......
>
> The SageTV Forums can be accessed here

There is also an android version of sagetv ( sageTV miniclient) that can
be loaded into android based TV's or devices like my firetv 4K to view
the recorded programs. It accesses the files on my network that SageTV
server on the PC directs from my TV tuner boxes. That is what I use most
of the time for viewing. The android version looks and operates just
like the PC version.

Bob F wrote:
> On 11/25/2024 3:15 AM, Orca Winfrey wrote:

>>>
>>> I record everything I watch on TV using a tuner card in my desktop PC or network attached tuner boxes (HDHOMERUN), and appropriate software
>>> (SAGETV), and outputting from my PC video card to the hdmi input on the TV or through a FireTV box. If the TV is off, the PC scheduler turns
>>> it on for scheduled shows.
>>
>> I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
>> Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively killing the DVR.
>
> Who do you have to "subscribe" to to get them?

As I understand it, atsc3 has the mechanism to support subscriptions but they're not using that feature in my area.

>
> Or, does this just block off recording?
>

On my FLEX 4K receivers, the local CBS atsc3 channels allow live viewing, recording, playback and commercial skip.

The local NBC atsc3 channels are DRM protected so block live viewing, recording, playback and commercial skip. All you get is a black screen.

[snip]

> I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but
> 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
> Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively
> killing the DVR.

While I don't want that to happen, Its not "killing the DVR" when you can
use it with cable. At least when the DVR can control the cable box.

I'm still using ReplayTV DVRs (mostly for old shows).

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Mark Lloyd wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> I've got a pair of FLEX 4K receivers that pick up 15 ATSC3 channels but
>> 7 of those are DRM protected so no longer usable.
>> Makes me wonder how long before broadcasters shut off ATSC1, effectively
>> killing the DVR.
>
> While I don't want that to happen, Its not "killing the DVR" when you can
> use it with cable. At least when the DVR can control the cable box.
>
> I'm still using ReplayTV DVRs (mostly for old shows).
>

I don't know of any stand-alone networked consumer DVR that can record/playback DRM encrypted atsc3.0 content.
I've heard rumors the entertainment overlords are working on it but we all know how that goes.