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Subject: Re: VeilID : Cult of the Dead Cow Unveils New P2P Mixnet
From: Anonymous
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server, rocksolid.shared.general
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:28 UTC
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Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:

>The maintainer has released a Debian package repo for ease of install.
>
>Veilid: A secure peer-to-peer network for apps that flips off the
>surveillance economy:
>https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/12/veilid_privacy_data/
>
>[copypasta]
>
>site: https://veilid.com/
>
>Veilid (pronounced Vay-Lid, from 'Valid and Veiled Identification')
>
>Veilid allows anyone to build a distributed, private app. Veilid gives
>users the privacy to opt out of data collection and online tracking.
>Veilid is being built with user experience, privacy, and safety as our
>top priorities. It is open source and available to everyone to use and
>build upon.
>
>Veilid goes above and beyond existing privacy technologies and has the
>potential to completely change the way people use the Internet. Veilid
>has no profit motive, which puts us in a unique position to promote
>ideals without the compromise of capitalism.
>
>[/copypasta]
>
>Instructions to install a VeilID node
>
>https://gitlab.com/veilid/veilid/-/blob/main/INSTALL.md

<https://veilid.com/Launch-Slides-Veilid.pdf> - Page 29 f.:

| Compiled Routes
|
| Private Routes are published as a ‘private destination’ and Safety
| Routes are allocated locally and combined together with a Private Route
| to form a Compiled Route.
|
| Each node hop only knows about the next one. This is similar to onion
| routing, but assumes that the source is fully in control of the Safety
| Route and the destination is fully in control of the Private Route

The SURB problem that already sandbagged Mixminion.

Thanks, but no thanks!

Subject: Re: VeilID : Cult of the Dead Cow Unveils New P2P Mixnet
From: carbon42
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Sandbagged? Do you mean that it has some negative impact on speed and compute usage? Because I can't seem to find anything pertaining to an attack using the feature when I look it up.

If it's the performance stuff you're referencing then I don't see why that's a real problem. Trading off compute & speed for anonymity is fine.

Subject: Re: VeilID : Cult of the Dead Cow Unveils New P2P Mixnet
From: Anonymous
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Subject: Re: VeilID : Cult of the Dead Cow Unveils New P2P Mixnet
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Hearsay in the comments. I don't know if it is true.

iPhone only

Looks like the initial rollout of Veilidchat is by invitation through the Apple store.

Probably sometimes in February I'll take a look and dump in a test OS.

Subject: Re: VeilID : Cult of the Dead Cow Unveils New P2P Mixnet
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When you are a hammer everything looks like a nail.
Every so often a white paper comes along with some network. Nobody has actually shown how it scales. I have 10 routers and this is how it looks like. With 50 that is the model. I don't need FFT (Fast Fourier Transforms or LaPlace) but really you need to check your comm module before you come out with networks.
For i2p models I use radio relay and truncated Planar Wave (in my blood) models. There are more complex and better models but the processing power is just to much.

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