On 2024-10-15 07:04, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 10/11/2024 1:58 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-10-10 20:20, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2024 8:31 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-10 13:30, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2024 12:44 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-10 03:25, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/9/2024 11:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-09 19:28, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/4/2024 7:20 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-02 11:29, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> ...ON THE TRACK:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the SCCA National Runoffs this year at Road America in
>>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fastest qualifier so far IS an FF Honda at 2:22.552.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But second fastest is a FF Ford just .181 behind at 2:22.733.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/
>>>>>>>>>>> downloads/000/073/365/
>>>>>>>>>>> FF%20Runoffs2024%20Qual%202%20Provisional.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And that's not even remotely a new Formula F chassis! The
>>>>>>>>>>> Swift DB6 chassis dates from 1991...that's 43 years ago!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So why is the field mostly Hondas?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because (as I've explained before) time and money spent
>>>>>>>>>>> maintaining a Formula F Kent in top shape can be spent on
>>>>>>>>>>> more profitable things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, gee, what do you know?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "uncompetitive" Kent...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...won the 2024 SCCA National Runoffs in Formula F.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who'd have thought it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_files/scca/
>>>>>>>>> downloads/000/073/541/ FF%20Runoffs2024%20Race%20Official.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The # 5 car, the Kent, finished 8th in the official results,
>>>>>>>>> 1st in Provisional Results
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Position changed per: Car 5 - Moved behind #81 per SOM - GCR
>>>>>>>>> 6.11.1.D,
>>>>>>>>> Appendix P.5. Must have cheated to get moved down that far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And the 5 car was the only Kent in the race.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's extra hilarious is that they literally listed the rule
>>>>>>>> infraction involved...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...but you just went with, "must have cheated".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a passing infraction, I looked it up. That is cheating.
>>>>>>> You said he "won the 2024 SCCA National Runoffs in Formula F" the
>>>>>>> when confronted with the truth changed it to "could have won",
>>>>>>> Liarboy. So typical of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your implication was clearly that the only reason he could have
>>>>>> been leading the race was that he cheated. The SCCA ruled that he
>>>>>> moved to aggressively to defend his position, and having seen the
>>>>>> video, that's certainly true. But your claim has always been that
>>>>>> the Ford can't be competitive with the Honda and there's no way
>>>>>> that can be true if a Ford can be in the lead on the last lap of
>>>>>> the race.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And never said "could have won" anywhere, Liarboy.
>>>>>
>>>>> You flat out lied when you said "The "uncompetitive" Kent
>>>>> won the 2024 SCCA National Runoffs in Formula F"
>>>>
>>>> Nope. When I wrote it, I didn't know about the SCCA's decision.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had said that a single Kent was competitive in this one race
>>>>> I would have agreed. But no, you said the Kent WON the race. That
>>>>> is not true. He broke a rule by aggressively blocking another
>>>>> driver. Had he not done so he might have not placed first in the
>>>>> provisional standings. In other words, he cheated the other driver
>>>>> out of an opportunity to pass and was appropriately penalized. Had
>>>>> he followed the rules he very likely would not have even won a
>>>>> provisional first.
>>>>
>>>> And where have I said the penalty wasn't appropriate, Liarboy?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, in a larger sense, is the Kent competitive? No. There have
>>>>> been VERY few Kents entered in the Runoffs for many years. If they
>>>>> were competitive on performance and cost there would be more. If
>>>>> the Kent was a better engine overall on performance and cost the
>>>>> Kent would dominate. Even you agree. After all you bought a Honda-
>>>>> powered car, Liarboy.
>>>>
>>>> And the only reason you now hold that position is that, /I/ had to
>>>> explain that there is more to racing that speed on the track.
>>>>
>>>> And your original position was that the Honda made me FASTER ON THE
>>>> TRACK.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You stated "Because (as I've explained before) time and money spent
>>>>> maintaining a Formula F Kent in top shape can be spent on more
>>>>> profitable things." You admit here that the Kent is not competitive
>>>>> when considering the overall metrics. Why spend the money on the
>>>>> Kent when it can't go out and beat the Honda on a consistent basis?
>>>>> YOU said that. THAT is why the Kent is so scarce in the Runoffs.
>>>>
>>>> I never said it couldn't go out and beat the Honda on a consistent
>>>> basis, Liarboy.
>>>>
>>>> I said it would COST more in money and time.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In an even larger sense you show in this instance that you are more
>>>>> than willing to bend facts to make yourself look good. Major traits
>>>>> of a narcissistic hypocrite. Of course, another trait of the
>>>>> narcissistic hypocrite is that you can never admit being wrong, or
>>>>> that the other person who disagrees with you is right. Such people
>>>>> are also totally blind to their disorder.
>>>>
>>>> Right back at ya, ashole.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You misspelled asshole
>>>
>>> You bought the Honda because you can't afford to maintain a Kent in
>>> top racing form. It did make you faster.
>>
>> Not because it was inherently faster, asshole. (did I spell it right
>> for you this time, Asshole?).
>>
>> The guy who holds the fastest time at Mission in an FF had a Kent,
>> prepared by one of the two best FF Kent engine builders certainly in
>> North America and probably in the world (Arnie Loyning) that was
>> prepped by his brother-in-law's professional prep shop.
>>
>> I was fast because I'm that good.
>
> LOL! How many Honda cars have competed at Mission? And, you make my
> point. It takes extensive and expensive prep for the Kent to even come
> close to the Honda. Anything less is not competitive. You were faster
> driving a Honda-powered car. I proved that some time back.

I was faster in a car that was different in many ways, Liarboy.

>
> So answer my question. What are Honda engines not welcome at F1600 and
> the Brands Hatch events while SCCA welcomes the Kent at the Runoffs?

I explained that the Honda wasn't the route that they used to modernize
the Formula Ford class...

....IN AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT JURISDICTION.