On 11/19/2024 12:58 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-19 07:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 11/15/2024 2:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-15 11:09, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 11/15/2024 12:51 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-15 08:04, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/10/2024 5:06 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-11-10 13:43, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/8/2024 1:49 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-08 04:41, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/5/2024 4:23 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-05 13:13, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/2024 1:48 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-11-04 10:17, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, we get to choose more defaults outside the Walled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Garden! Here is one that has happened recently for me but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not picked up in recent articles on v.18.2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other day I asked Siri for directions via CarPlay by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying "Drive to (place) using Google Maps". Since then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Siri defaults to Google Maps whereas Apple maps was the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default unless you asked for Google Maps again. Today I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also asked for directions to a nearest (brand name) store
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location from with a brand's app. I was give a choice of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or Google Maps. Apps defaulted to Apple maps before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this Siri change, no choice offered.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brick by brick the Wall Garden is coming down. Apple will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be better for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple creates something that works so well for so many
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...that big government wants them to destroy it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL! Opening up the platform makes it more appealing. You
>>>>>>>>>>>> still have the Apple defaults.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's a business's decision to make, isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>> That's a nonsense reply. It's a business's decision if Apple's
>>>>>>>>>> terms permit a decision. Like, for instance, as an Apple app
>>>>>>>>>> owner do I want to use the Apple Store to complete a purchase
>>>>>>>>>> or fulfill it myself through a third party? Big brick in the
>>>>>>>>>> wall, that is not permitted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you really this stupid?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your last argument was "Apple will be better for it".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Think about that...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...if thinking is something you actually do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to your point that it works well for a lot of people, how
>>>>>>>>>> does that change if you stick to default Apple apps?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Next up, Apple is going to see a major EU fine if they don't
>>>>>>>>>> open up in- app purchase options. One small step in that
>>>>>>>>>> direction has happened. We use Kindle Unlimited a bit. Those
>>>>>>>>>> books are included in the Unlimited subscription. Until
>>>>>>>>>> recently on iOS you had to get your Unlimited books from the
>>>>>>>>>> Amazon site, not the Amazon app, even though the subscription
>>>>>>>>>> covers the cost. Now you can select and load on the Kindle app
>>>>>>>>>> an Unlimited book right off the app. That was very
>>>>>>>>>> inconvenient, and might push someone to use Apple's Books app.
>>>>>>>>>> A very small garden wall brick gone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the EU succeeds in opening up lower cost in-app purchases
>>>>>>>>>> consummated outside the app Apple has a business decision to
>>>>>>>>>> make. Like maybe lower their cut of in-app purchases to
>>>>>>>>>> something reflecting their cost instead of the monopolistic
>>>>>>>>>> rates they can charge now by not allowing purchase completion
>>>>>>>>>> until they get their cut.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Better, as in not as monopolistic. If they don't change the U.S.
>>>>>>>> and EU are going to bring the company down.
>>>>>>> So by that logic (extended), it would be better for you to give
>>>>>>> me all your money...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...rather than me shooting and killing you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL. You have bragged about Apple being the only company making
>>>>>> much money on smartphones then in denial about why that is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is that relevant to what we're discussing?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're suggesting something will make Apple "better"...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...because they won't be subject to fines.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, duh!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's an incredibly low and stupid bar.
>>>>
>>>> It will make Apple better because it will enable choices we do not
>>>> have now. For example, why can't I specify Google Maps as the
>>>> default navigation app and delete Apple Maps?
>>>
>>> Because Apple designed an entire product and you get to decide
>>> whether or not to buy it.
>>>
>>>> Why can't I dump brain-dead Siri for Google Assistant?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>> Why can't I have a payment app different from Apple Wallet?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>> Why can't I use a different application's storefront for in-app
>>>> purchases?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>> Why does Apple not allow out-of-app payments at all?
>>>
>>> Same answer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simple, Apple makes money off it's sole-source options. That is what
>>>> this is all about. That's called monopoly power. If Apple does not
>>>> open up it may be forced to spin off parts of the company and will
>>>> certainly be subject to additional fines.
>>>
>>> It's funny how quickly you supposed free market fanatics want to
>>> abandon it...
>>>
>>> ...when you think it's good for YOU.
>>>
>>
>> LOL. You probably think breaking up AT&T and forcing Microsoft to make
>> it easier to select a non-IE default browser were bad ideas too.
>
> I think there is an identifiable difference between building an
> operating system and after the internet had become a thing, tying one's
> browser choice to it.
>
>>
>> I see the day coming that Apple is forced to either spin off the App
>> Store or give other app sources and in-app purchase options full and
>> equal access to outside app and out-of-app payments access. Also the
>> option to specify any app that has a non-Apple equivalent as the default.
>>
>> It's my phone, not Apple's!
> So buy an Android phone.

Not a solution. As I have pointed out in other threads Android has its
own issues along these lines.

I don't think Apple will be required to spin off the App Store or Google
will be forced to sell the Chrome browser. What is more likely is Google
forced to stop bribes (payments if you prefer) to Apple and others that
make Google Search the default. Both will likely have to open up more
access and defaults into MacOS/iOS/Android OS interfaces for competitors
in the OS services space. Things like Wallet/Google Pay, app store
purchase fees, advertising fees, etc.