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Subject: Re: Are Progressive Democrats Idiots?
From: -hh
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Subject: Re: Are Progressive Democrats Idiots?
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Chips Loral <loralandclinton@invalid.co> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>> Chips Loral <loralandclinton@invalid.co> wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> Chips Loral <loralandclinton@invalid.co> wrote:
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>> …
>>>>>> so they should pay a price for their lies,
>>>>>
>>>>> You just suspended the 1t amendment, you filthy fucking TRAITOR!
>>>>
>>>> Nope: Dominion has legal standing, and it’s a private entity suing another
>>>> private entity.
>>>
>>> There were no "lies" but you just shilled o rlawfare to silence the press.
>>>
>>> You despicable TRAITOR!
>>
>> Nope.
>> Private corporation using Rule of Law.
>
> Nope, chilling the 1st amendment is not lawful.

It’s not chilling the 1A: the 1A has always granted one the right to say
something, but it doesn’t provide immunity from libel, defamation or
slander.

Fox, Newsmax, Gateway Pundit, Rudy G have all “Fucked Around” with the 1A
and they all are now in the “Find Out” phase of being held legally
responsible for the lies that they chose to say.

>
>>>>>>> Anyone associated with the Heritage Foundation
>>>>>>> will be dissappeared like they do to poor slobs in South America.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoken like someone who’s tried to ignore what’s been written in Project
>>>>>> 2025…
>>>>>
>>>>> Spoken like someone who supports open borders and the China Joe payoff
>>>>> administration.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. But what I do know is that immigration is a lifeblood of America’s
>>>> prosperity: one can even postulate our economic decline to increasingly
>>>> restrictive immigration policies.
>>>
>>> 20 million illegals are DEFLATING wages and STRESSING our support
>>> systems, you treasonous scumbag!
>>
>> Oh, so it’s *20* million now?
>
> That's the generally credible number, I tend toward 30 million though.
>
>> It was 11.5M under Bush, Trump, and today.
>> Hint: It’s not changing.
>
> You're a craven liar.
>
> https://thehill.com/latino/407848-yale-mit-study-22-million-not-11-million-undocumented-immigrants-in-us/
>
> The undocumented population in the United States could be twice as large
> as the most commonly-used estimate, according to a research study
> published Friday in the scientific journal Plos One.

“Could be”.

> The paper, led by Mohammad M. Fazel-Zarandi, a researcher at Yale and
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology, estimates there are 22.1 million
> undocumented immigrants in the United States.
>
> Fazel-Zarandi’s study compared inflows and outflows of immigrants as
> well as demographic data. According to the report, the number of
> undocumented immigrants could be as low as 16.5 million, or as high as
> 29.1 million.

Yeah, and now keep reading:

“The Yale study, which goes as far back as 1990, found the same upward and
downward trajectory as the ACS studies, with the undocumented population
ballooning through the 1990s and plateauing after 2007.”

You know what ‘plateau’ means? It means its total is not really changing,
which is my above point. Thanks for confirming what I said!

>
>>>>>> …as well as which VP Candidate is endorsing it:
>>>>>> <https://x.com/kamalahq/status/1817682240198832463?s=61&t=BwOr14HsTzyD0gnJjDCtLA>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my...this is your "damning" quote?
>>>>>
>>>>> "I want to thank especially Kevin Roberts and all of the Heritage
>>>>> Foundation for 50 years of incredible work on conservative policy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, endorsing Heritage is consistent with basic conservative values.
>>>>
>>>> Except that you really should read some of the stuff that’s in P2025,
>>>
>>> Except that you have decided to harp on one paper out of a 50 year run.
>>> So transparent.
>>
>> It’s their current plan.
>
> Who cares?
>
> The Rep. 2024 platform is the only plan we need to know.

Except P2025’s forward was authored by the GOP VP nominee. So is Trump’s
new attempt to distance himself from it going to include a promise to purge
all P2025 participants from the GOP?

>>>> because it ain’t conservative. For example,
>>>
>>> Nope, no citations nor quotes seen.
>>
>> If you want cites, you need to provide them first (above), lest you
>> explicitly confess as a hypocrite.
>
> No, you!
>
>> In any event, here’s news of a new-to-me one yesterday; I’ve not
>> cross-verified it yet:
>>
>> <https://x.com/sharon_kuruvila/status/1817780450611302643?s=61&t=BwOr14HsTzyD0gnJjDCtLA>
>>
>> This one is on revoking child labor laws to allow them to work hazardous
>> jobs again.
>
>
> It's about right to work when trained.
> Period.

Not applicable, because minors can’t legally consent.

> It's also not in the Rep. 2024 platform, is it, liar?

Didn’t claim it was.

>>> Your anecdotal fever dreams rejected.
>>
>> There’s more.
>>
>>> The Rep. party platform, for your perusal, not a Heritage document.
>>
>> JD Vance was a co-author, so it’s a GOP document for this election cycle.
>
> The 2024 platform is all that matters.
>
> Plenty to accomplish there.

With the details contained within the 900 pages of “but it’s not really our
document” P2025. /s

>>> Common Sense tells us clearly that the Republican Party must stand for
>>> Equal Treatment for All.

Except that families without kids will be stripped of their right to vote,
and women will be put under surveillance to prevent “abortion tourism” in
Blue states. I kid you not.

>>> Likewise, the Republican Party must ensure the
>>> equal application of law to all regardless of political affiliation or
>>> personal beliefs. Recent Democrat-led political persecutions threaten to
>>> destroy 250 years of American Principle and Practice and must be stopped.
>>>
>>> America needs determined Republican Leadership at every level of
>>> Government to address the core threats to our very survival: Our
>>> disastrously Open Border, our weakened Economy, crippling restrictions
>>> on American Energy Production, our depleted Military, attacks on the
>>> American System of Justice, and much more.
>>>
>>> To make clear our commitment, we offer to the American people the 2024
>>> GOP Platform to Make America Great Again! It is a forward-looking Agenda
>>> that begins with the following twenty promises that we will accomplish
>>> very quickly when we win the White House and Republican Majorities in
>>> the House and Senate.
>>>
>>> SEAL THE BORDER, AND STOP THE MIGRANT INVASION
>>> CARRY OUT THE LARGEST DEPORTATION OPERATION IN AMERICAN HISTORY
>>> END INFLATION, AND MAKE AMERICA AFFORDABLE AGAIN
>>> MAKE AMERICA THE DOMINANT ENERGY PRODUCER IN THE WORLD, BY FAR!
>>> STOP OUTSOURCING, AND TURN THE UNITED STATES INTO A MANUFACTURING SUPERPOWER
>>> LARGE TAX CUTS FOR WORKERS, AND NO TAX ON TIPS!
>>> DEFEND OUR CONSTITUTION, OUR BILL OF RIGHTS, AND OUR FUNDAMENTAL
>>> FREEDOMS, INCLUDING FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, AND THE
>>> RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
>>> PREVENT WORLD WAR THREE, RESTORE PEACE IN EUROPE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
>>> AND BUILD A GREAT IRON DOME MISSILE DEFENSE SHIELD OVER OUR ENTIRE
>>> COUNTRY -- ALL MADE IN AMERICA
>>> END THE WEAPONIZATION OF GOVERNMENT AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
>>> STOP THE MIGRANT CRIME EPIDEMIC, DEMOLISH THE FOREIGN DRUG CARTELS,
>>> CRUSH GANG VIOLENCE, AND LOCK UP VIOLENT OFFENDERS
>>> REBUILD OUR CITIES, INCLUDING WASHINGTON DC, MAKING THEM SAFE, CLEAN,
>>> AND BEAUTIFUL AGAIN.
>>> STRENGTHEN AND MODERNIZE OUR MILITARY, MAKING IT, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE
>>> STRONGEST AND MOST POWERFUL IN THE WORLD
>>> KEEP THE U.S. DOLLAR AS THE WORLD'S RESERVE CURRENCY
>>> FIGHT FOR AND PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE WITH NO CUTS,
>>> INCLUDING NO CHANGES TO THE RETIREMENT AGE
>>> CANCEL THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MANDATE AND CUT COSTLY AND BURDENSOME
>>> REGULATIONS
>>> CUT FEDERAL FUNDING FOR ANY SCHOOL PUSHING CRITICAL RACE THEORY, RADICAL
>>> GENDER IDEOLOGY, AND OTHER INAPPROPRIATE RACIAL, SEXUAL, OR POLITICAL
>>> CONTENT ON OUR CHILDREN
>>> KEEP MEN OUT OF WOMEN'S SPORTS
>>> DEPORT PRO-HAMAS RADICALS AND MAKE OUR COLLEGE CAMPUSES SAFE AND
>>> PATRIOTIC AGAIN
>>> SECURE OUR ELECTIONS, INCLUDING SAME DAY VOTING, VOTER IDENTIFICATION,
>>> PAPER BALLOTS, AND PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP
>>> UNITE OUR COUNTRY BY BRINGING IT TO NEW AND RECORD LEVELS OF SUCCESS
>>> *****
>>>
>>> When America is united, confident, and committed to our principles, it
>>> will never fail.
>>>
>>> Today and together, with Love for our Country, Faith in our People, and
>>> Trust in God's Good Grace, we will Make America Great Again!
>>>
>>> Table of Contents
>>> 1. DEFEAT INFLATION, AND QUICKLY BRING DOWN ALL PRICES.
>>
>> Howa.
>
> This would be easier if you quit being a typical Demotarded snip machine.

Dodge.

>
> Inflation is a crushing tax on American families. History shows that
> Inflation will not magically disappear while policies remain the same.

Policies have already changed under Biden, which is why lastweek’s PCE
report is that it’s back down to ~2.5%:

<https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-inflation-rises-moderately-june-2024-07-26/>

And wages increased by an equal amount, which means workers aren’t “falling
behind”.

> We commit to unleashing American Energy, reining in wasteful spending,
> cutting excessive Regulations, securing our Borders, and restoring Peace
> through Strength. Together, we will restore Prosperity, ensure Economic
> Security, and build a brighter future for American Workers and their
> families. Our dedication to these Policies will make America stronger,
> more resilient, and more prosperous than ever before.
>
> 1. Unleash American Energy
>
> Under President Trump, the U.S. became the Number One Producer of Oil
> and Natural Gas in the World — and we will soon be again by lifting
> restrictions on American Energy Production and terminating the Socialist
> Green New Deal. Republicans will unleash Energy Production from all
> sources, including nuclear, to immediately slash Inflation and power
> American homes, cars, and factories with reliable, abundant, and
> affordable Energy.

Neglects to note that that production record has been broken under Biden!

>
> 2. Rein in Wasteful Federal Spending
>
> Republicans will immediately stabilize the Economy by slashing wasteful
> Government spending and promoting Economic Growth.

Translation: they’ve targeted Social Security & Medicare for that.

> 3. Cut Costly and Burdensome Regulations
>
> Republicans will reinstate President Trump's Deregulation Policies,
> which saved Americans $11,000 per household, and end Democrats'
> regulatory onslaught that disproportionately harms low- and
> middle-income households.

Got any quantitative substantiation for that $11K saved claim?
Better fact-check before blindly believing them.

> 4. Stop Illegal Immigration
>
> Republicans will secure the Border, deport Illegal Aliens, and reverse
> the Democrats' Open Borders Policies that have driven up the cost of
> Housing, Education, and Healthcare for American families.

Trump personally killed the Congressional bill that would have done that.

> 5. Restore Peace through Strength
>
> War breeds Inflation while geopolitical stability brings price
> stability. Republicans will end the global chaos and restore Peace
> through Strength, reducing geopolitical risks and lowering commodity prices.

Self-contradictory claim. Oops.

> {snip!}

And so on. You need to stop repeating this drivel without bothering to
fact-check what you’re inferentially supporting. So I’ve snipped the rest
because it’s not worth repeating this same point a dozen times over to get
it through your thick skull. Work on substantive verification of the above
before you bother us with any more so-called “points”. Until then, fuck
off and keep fucking off.

-hh

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By: Luke on Sun, 28 Jul 2024

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