-hh wrote:
> On 7/5/24 1:10 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> On 7/3/24 9:56 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>> On 7/3/24 1:22 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/30/24 12:34 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 12:41:09 AM EDT, "Anonymous" <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/24 8:30 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dying from it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it. You're
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spewing bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> See slide 25.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for you, Slide 25 doesn't support what you're claiming
>>>>>>>>>>> (nor do slides 26-28 either).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because you clearly missed some important elements:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First, CoVid isn't just a single genetic version, so the slide lists
>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>> against three then-predominant subvariants on a single chart,
>>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>>> BA.4/5, BQ.1, and XBB.1.5
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It goes on to show a clear vaccine benefit for two of three (BA.4/5 &
>>>>>>>>>>> BQ.1),
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> to its maximum recorded time window of 89 days since dose.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you're 2/3rds shot down already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But do you have any hope for the third subvariant of XBB.1.5?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only if you can overcome two problems for even this niche case.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The first problem you have is that it does show that there's no mean
>>>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>>>> from the original vaccine formulation, but the measured Median time
>>>>>>>>>>> since last
>>>>>>>>>>> dose isn't your claimed 60 days, but is at 464 days (1.3 years): over
>>>>>>>>>>> 7x times
>>>>>>>>>>> longer than your claim: Fail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your second problem you have is that the other one which didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> provide clear
>>>>>>>>>>> benefit ("Bivalent...90-179 days), you also didn't read for
>>>>>>>>>>> comprehension: its
>>>>>>>>>>> Median time since last dose also isn't your claimed 60 days, but is
>>>>>>>>>>> 136 days:
>>>>>>>>>>> over 2x longer too:  fail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you're now fully shot down on this one too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And that's before we even note that you failed to its footnote too:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "** These estimates are imprecise, which might be due to there being a
>>>>>>>>>>> relatively small number of persons in each level of vaccination or
>>>>>>>>>>> case status.
>>>>>>>>>>> This imprecision indicates that the actual VE could be substantially
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> from the point estimate shown, and estimates should therefore be
>>>>>>>>>>> interpreted
>>>>>>>>>>> with caution.
>>>>>>>>>>> Additional data accrual could increase precision and allow more precise
>>>>>>>>>>> interpretation."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now we should also note that maybe you got the page# wrong, for
>>>>>>>>>>> there's more
>>>>>>>>>>> data on hospitalization reduction on slides 26-28, but these charts
>>>>>>>>>>> all show
>>>>>>>>>>> clear vaccine benefit for all conditions for the mean.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus even if we look at the total error bars, there's only two
>>>>>>>>>>> instances where
>>>>>>>>>>> it even crosses over the zero, which are both for the original
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccine, and
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> Median times since last dose of 334 & 394 days (0.9 & 1.1 years)
>>>>>>>>>>> respectively:
>>>>>>>>>>> owhere near your claimed "60 days".  Fail.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I posted the wrong link.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So where is the "correct" link?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>>>>
>>>>> More silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But in any case, the COVID clot shots aren't vaccines. A vaccine is
>>>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>>>> to provide the same sterilizing immunity compared to natural infection
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> recovery on a PERMANENT basis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, _really_?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before the CDC redefined it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got cite?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayback Machine will have the CDC's old (pre-"redefined") webpages, so you
>>>>> have no excuse for not clearly substantiating your claim.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>>>>
>>>>>>> Provide the medical citation that substantiates your claim that natural
>>>>>>> infection & recovery provides "PERMANENT" (your word choice) protection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus while you're at it, that vaccine & natural function only in this
>>>>>>> mechanism of providing "sterilizing immunity" (again, your word choice).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, silence on substantiation...shocking!  /s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Covid did not work like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes it did. Even the initial lab leak. If viruses and immune systems didn't
>>>>>>>> work like that, there would be no animal life on Earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, you're merely demonstrating that you don't know much about either
>>>>>>> viruses or immune system architecture & function.  Suggest that you go
>>>>>>> contract Measles so that you can reset your auto-immune system back to an
>>>>>>> infant's 'zero', so that you can perhaps learn it correctly 2nd time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Go take you clot shot then. Take twenty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Already have; around five so far for CoVid, plus many flu shots. Plus I've
>>>>> boosted some traditional childhood vaccines that never provided "100%
>>>>> permanent sterilizing immunity" from, such as for Polio in 2006. My
>>>>> Meningococcal & Typhoid expired in 2021, but Tetanus & Yellow Fever
>>>>> vaccinations don't need to be renewed before 2026.
>>>>
>>>> I'm enjoying my far superior natural immunity to Covid. I got the virus
>>>> years ago, before the shot was released, and I haven't had it since.
>>>
>>>
>>> Suuuure you did.
>>
>> That's what the antibody test said.
>
> Substantiating citation ... absent.

I still have the test result PDF, and no, I won't be posting it.

>>> And you have the genetic sequencing of that virus to substantiate your claim
>>> too...right?  Post it.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I do get sick with it again, it likely will NOT be anywhere NEAR as bad
>>>> as it was.
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll not be alive when your family posts that you've died when its then our
>>> time to say:  "No, and I told you so".
>>
>> Covid isn't going to kill ME. Keep coping. Enjoy your wrecked immune system.
>
> Not that you know, or will admit to.  Case in point:
>
> <https://x.com/NickAnderegg/status/1809763332636790833>
>
>
> Better go have lab tests done on your T cells to measure for exhaustion