On 7/5/24 1:10 AM, Anonymous wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>> On 7/3/24 9:56 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/24 1:22 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/30/24 12:34 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 12:41:09 AM EDT, "Anonymous" <anon@anon.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/24 8:30 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or dying from it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60 days. Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're just
>>>>>>>>>>>> spewing bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See slide 25.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for you, Slide 25 doesn't support what you're
>>>>>>>>>> claiming
>>>>>>>>>> (nor do slides 26-28 either).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because you clearly missed some important elements:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> First, CoVid isn't just a single genetic version, so the slide
>>>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>> against three then-predominant subvariants on a single chart,
>>>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>>>> BA.4/5, BQ.1, and XBB.1.5
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It goes on to show a clear vaccine benefit for two of three
>>>>>>>>>> (BA.4/5 & BQ.1),
>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>> to its maximum recorded time window of 89 days since dose.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you're 2/3rds shot down already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But do you have any hope for the third subvariant of XBB.1.5?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only if you can overcome two problems for even this niche case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The first problem you have is that it does show that there's
>>>>>>>>>> no mean benefit
>>>>>>>>>> from the original vaccine formulation, but the measured Median
>>>>>>>>>> time since last
>>>>>>>>>> dose isn't your claimed 60 days, but is at 464 days (1.3
>>>>>>>>>> years): over 7x times
>>>>>>>>>> longer than your claim: Fail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your second problem you have is that the other one which
>>>>>>>>>> didn't provide clear
>>>>>>>>>> benefit ("Bivalent...90-179 days), you also didn't read for
>>>>>>>>>> comprehension: its
>>>>>>>>>> Median time since last dose also isn't your claimed 60 days,
>>>>>>>>>> but is 136 days:
>>>>>>>>>> over 2x longer too:  fail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you're now fully shot down on this one too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that's before we even note that you failed to its footnote
>>>>>>>>>> too:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "** These estimates are imprecise, which might be due to there
>>>>>>>>>> being a
>>>>>>>>>> relatively small number of persons in each level of
>>>>>>>>>> vaccination or case status.
>>>>>>>>>> This imprecision indicates that the actual VE could be
>>>>>>>>>> substantially different
>>>>>>>>>> from the point estimate shown, and estimates should therefore
>>>>>>>>>> be interpreted
>>>>>>>>>> with caution.
>>>>>>>>>> Additional data accrual could increase precision and allow
>>>>>>>>>> more precise
>>>>>>>>>> interpretation."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now we should also note that maybe you got the page# wrong,
>>>>>>>>>> for there's more
>>>>>>>>>> data on hospitalization reduction on slides 26-28, but these
>>>>>>>>>> charts all show
>>>>>>>>>> clear vaccine benefit for all conditions for the mean.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus even if we look at the total error bars, there's only two
>>>>>>>>>> instances where
>>>>>>>>>> it even crosses over the zero, which are both for the original
>>>>>>>>>> vaccine, and
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> Median times since last dose of 334 & 394 days (0.9 & 1.1
>>>>>>>>>> years) respectively:
>>>>>>>>>> owhere near your claimed "60 days".  Fail.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I posted the wrong link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So where is the "correct" link?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>>>
>>>> More silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But in any case, the COVID clot shots aren't vaccines. A
>>>>>>>>> vaccine is supposed
>>>>>>>>> to provide the same sterilizing immunity compared to natural
>>>>>>>>> infection and
>>>>>>>>> recovery on a PERMANENT basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, _really_?
>>>>>
>>>>> Before the CDC redefined it.
>>>>
>>>> Got cite?
>>>>
>>>> Wayback Machine will have the CDC's old (pre-"redefined") webpages,
>>>> so you have no excuse for not clearly substantiating your claim.
>>>
>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>>>
>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>>>
>>>>>> Provide the medical citation that substantiates your claim that
>>>>>> natural infection & recovery provides "PERMANENT" (your word
>>>>>> choice) protection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus while you're at it, that vaccine & natural function only in
>>>>>> this mechanism of providing "sterilizing immunity" (again, your
>>>>>> word choice).
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, silence on substantiation...shocking!  /s
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Covid did not work like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes it did. Even the initial lab leak. If viruses and immune
>>>>>>> systems didn't
>>>>>>> work like that, there would be no animal life on Earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, you're merely demonstrating that you don't know much about
>>>>>> either viruses or immune system architecture & function.  Suggest
>>>>>> that you go contract Measles so that you can reset your
>>>>>> auto-immune system back to an infant's 'zero', so that you can
>>>>>> perhaps learn it correctly 2nd time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go take you clot shot then. Take twenty.
>>>>
>>>> Already have; around five so far for CoVid, plus many flu shots.
>>>> Plus I've boosted some traditional childhood vaccines that never
>>>> provided "100% permanent sterilizing immunity" from, such as for
>>>> Polio in 2006. My Meningococcal & Typhoid expired in 2021, but
>>>> Tetanus & Yellow Fever vaccinations don't need to be renewed before
>>>> 2026.
>>>
>>> I'm enjoying my far superior natural immunity to Covid. I got the virus
>>> years ago, before the shot was released, and I haven't had it since.
>>
>>
>> Suuuure you did.
>
> That's what the antibody test said.

Substantiating citation ... absent.

>> And you have the genetic sequencing of that virus to substantiate your
>> claim too...right?  Post it.
>>
>>
>>> If I do get sick with it again, it likely will NOT be anywhere NEAR
>>> as bad
>>> as it was.
>>
>>
>> You'll not be alive when your family posts that you've died when its
>> then our time to say:  "No, and I told you so".
>
> Covid isn't going to kill ME. Keep coping. Enjoy your wrecked immune
> system.

Not that you know, or will admit to. Case in point:

<https://x.com/NickAnderegg/status/1809763332636790833>

Better go have lab tests done on your T cells to measure for exhaustion.

-hh