-hh wrote:
> On 7/3/24 9:56 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> On 7/3/24 1:22 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>> On 6/30/24 12:34 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 12:41:09 AM EDT, "Anonymous" <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/5/24 8:30 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or dying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60 days.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it. You're just
>>>>>>>>>>> spewing bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See slide 25.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for you, Slide 25 doesn't support what you're claiming
>>>>>>>>> (nor do slides 26-28 either).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because you clearly missed some important elements:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First, CoVid isn't just a single genetic version, so the slide lists
>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>> against three then-predominant subvariants on a single chart, specifically
>>>>>>>>> BA.4/5, BQ.1, and XBB.1.5
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It goes on to show a clear vaccine benefit for two of three (BA.4/5 &
>>>>>>>>> BQ.1),
>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>> to its maximum recorded time window of 89 days since dose.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you're 2/3rds shot down already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But do you have any hope for the third subvariant of XBB.1.5?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only if you can overcome two problems for even this niche case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The first problem you have is that it does show that there's no mean
>>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>>> from the original vaccine formulation, but the measured Median time
>>>>>>>>> since last
>>>>>>>>> dose isn't your claimed 60 days, but is at 464 days (1.3 years): over
>>>>>>>>> 7x times
>>>>>>>>> longer than your claim: Fail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your second problem you have is that the other one which didn't provide
>>>>>>>>> clear
>>>>>>>>> benefit ("Bivalent...90-179 days), you also didn't read for
>>>>>>>>> comprehension: its
>>>>>>>>> Median time since last dose also isn't your claimed 60 days, but is 136
>>>>>>>>> days:
>>>>>>>>> over 2x longer too:  fail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you're now fully shot down on this one too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that's before we even note that you failed to its footnote too:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "** These estimates are imprecise, which might be due to there being a
>>>>>>>>> relatively small number of persons in each level of vaccination or case
>>>>>>>>> status.
>>>>>>>>> This imprecision indicates that the actual VE could be substantially
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> from the point estimate shown, and estimates should therefore be
>>>>>>>>> interpreted
>>>>>>>>> with caution.
>>>>>>>>> Additional data accrual could increase precision and allow more precise
>>>>>>>>> interpretation."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now we should also note that maybe you got the page# wrong, for there's
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> data on hospitalization reduction on slides 26-28, but these charts all
>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>> clear vaccine benefit for all conditions for the mean.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus even if we look at the total error bars, there's only two
>>>>>>>>> instances where
>>>>>>>>> it even crosses over the zero, which are both for the original vaccine,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> Median times since last dose of 334 & 394 days (0.9 & 1.1 years)
>>>>>>>>> respectively:
>>>>>>>>> owhere near your claimed "60 days".  Fail.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I posted the wrong link.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So where is the "correct" link?
>>>>>
>>>>> Silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>>
>>> More silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But in any case, the COVID clot shots aren't vaccines. A vaccine is
>>>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>>>> to provide the same sterilizing immunity compared to natural infection and
>>>>>>>> recovery on a PERMANENT basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, _really_?
>>>>
>>>> Before the CDC redefined it.
>>>
>>> Got cite?
>>>
>>> Wayback Machine will have the CDC's old (pre-"redefined") webpages, so you
>>> have no excuse for not clearly substantiating your claim.
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>>
>>>>> Provide the medical citation that substantiates your claim that natural
>>>>> infection & recovery provides "PERMANENT" (your word choice) protection.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus while you're at it, that vaccine & natural function only in this
>>>>> mechanism of providing "sterilizing immunity" (again, your word choice).
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Once again, silence on substantiation...shocking!  /s
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Covid did not work like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it did. Even the initial lab leak. If viruses and immune systems didn't
>>>>>> work like that, there would be no animal life on Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, you're merely demonstrating that you don't know much about either
>>>>> viruses or immune system architecture & function.  Suggest that you go
>>>>> contract Measles so that you can reset your auto-immune system back to an
>>>>> infant's 'zero', so that you can perhaps learn it correctly 2nd time.
>>>>
>>>> Go take you clot shot then. Take twenty.
>>>
>>> Already have; around five so far for CoVid, plus many flu shots.  Plus I've
>>> boosted some traditional childhood vaccines that never provided "100%
>>> permanent sterilizing immunity" from, such as for Polio in 2006. My
>>> Meningococcal & Typhoid expired in 2021, but Tetanus & Yellow Fever
>>> vaccinations don't need to be renewed before 2026.
>>
>> I'm enjoying my far superior natural immunity to Covid. I got the virus
>> years ago, before the shot was released, and I haven't had it since.
>
>
> Suuuure you did.

That's what the antibody test said.

> And you have the genetic sequencing of that virus to
> substantiate your claim too...right?  Post it.
>
>
>> If I do get sick with it again, it likely will NOT be anywhere NEAR as bad
>> as it was.
>
>
> You'll not be alive when your family posts that you've died when its then our
> time to say:  "No, and I told you so".

Covid isn't going to kill ME. Keep coping. Enjoy your wrecked immune system.