On 7/3/24 9:56 PM, Anonymous wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>> On 7/3/24 1:22 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> On 6/30/24 12:34 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>>>> On Jun 29, 2024 at 12:41:09 AM EDT, "Anonymous" <anon@anon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/5/24 8:30 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/4/2024 7:48 PM, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     * *greatly* reduce your chance of getting gravely ill or
>>>>>>>>>>>> dying from it
>>>>>>>>>>>>       if you do contract it (this is beyond rational dispute)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For at least one of the shots, this was only the case for 60
>>>>>>>>>>> days. Then,
>>>>>>>>>>> it made you MORE likely to be hospitalized.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Utter bullshit. That's why you don't have a citation for it.
>>>>>>>>>> You're just
>>>>>>>>>> spewing bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-09-12/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See slide 25.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately for you, Slide 25 doesn't support what you're
>>>>>>>> claiming
>>>>>>>> (nor do slides 26-28 either).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because you clearly missed some important elements:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> First, CoVid isn't just a single genetic version, so the slide
>>>>>>>> lists
>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>> against three then-predominant subvariants on a single chart,
>>>>>>>> specifically
>>>>>>>> BA.4/5, BQ.1, and XBB.1.5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It goes on to show a clear vaccine benefit for two of three
>>>>>>>> (BA.4/5 & BQ.1),
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> to its maximum recorded time window of 89 days since dose.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you're 2/3rds shot down already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But do you have any hope for the third subvariant of XBB.1.5?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if you can overcome two problems for even this niche case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first problem you have is that it does show that there's no
>>>>>>>> mean benefit
>>>>>>>> from the original vaccine formulation, but the measured Median
>>>>>>>> time since last
>>>>>>>> dose isn't your claimed 60 days, but is at 464 days (1.3 years):
>>>>>>>> over 7x times
>>>>>>>> longer than your claim: Fail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your second problem you have is that the other one which didn't
>>>>>>>> provide clear
>>>>>>>> benefit ("Bivalent...90-179 days), you also didn't read for
>>>>>>>> comprehension: its
>>>>>>>> Median time since last dose also isn't your claimed 60 days, but
>>>>>>>> is 136 days:
>>>>>>>> over 2x longer too:  fail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you're now fully shot down on this one too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that's before we even note that you failed to its footnote too:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "** These estimates are imprecise, which might be due to there
>>>>>>>> being a
>>>>>>>> relatively small number of persons in each level of vaccination
>>>>>>>> or case status.
>>>>>>>> This imprecision indicates that the actual VE could be
>>>>>>>> substantially different
>>>>>>>> from the point estimate shown, and estimates should therefore be
>>>>>>>> interpreted
>>>>>>>> with caution.
>>>>>>>> Additional data accrual could increase precision and allow more
>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>> interpretation."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now we should also note that maybe you got the page# wrong, for
>>>>>>>> there's more
>>>>>>>> data on hospitalization reduction on slides 26-28, but these
>>>>>>>> charts all show
>>>>>>>> clear vaccine benefit for all conditions for the mean.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus even if we look at the total error bars, there's only two
>>>>>>>> instances where
>>>>>>>> it even crosses over the zero, which are both for the original
>>>>>>>> vaccine, and
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> Median times since last dose of 334 & 394 days (0.9 & 1.1 years)
>>>>>>>> respectively:
>>>>>>>> owhere near your claimed "60 days".  Fail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I posted the wrong link.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So where is the "correct" link?
>>>>
>>>> Silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>
>> More silence on substantiation...gosh, what a shocking surprise!  /s
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> But in any case, the COVID clot shots aren't vaccines. A vaccine
>>>>>>> is supposed
>>>>>>> to provide the same sterilizing immunity compared to natural
>>>>>>> infection and
>>>>>>> recovery on a PERMANENT basis.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, _really_?
>>>
>>> Before the CDC redefined it.
>>
>> Got cite?
>>
>> Wayback Machine will have the CDC's old (pre-"redefined") webpages, so
>> you have no excuse for not clearly substantiating your claim.
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20210826113846/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm
>
>>>> Provide the medical citation that substantiates your claim that
>>>> natural infection & recovery provides "PERMANENT" (your word choice)
>>>> protection.
>>>>
>>>> Plus while you're at it, that vaccine & natural function only in
>>>> this mechanism of providing "sterilizing immunity" (again, your word
>>>> choice).
>>>>
>>
>> Once again, silence on substantiation...shocking!  /s
>>
>>
>>>>>> Covid did not work like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it did. Even the initial lab leak. If viruses and immune
>>>>> systems didn't
>>>>> work like that, there would be no animal life on Earth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nah, you're merely demonstrating that you don't know much about
>>>> either viruses or immune system architecture & function.  Suggest
>>>> that you go contract Measles so that you can reset your auto-immune
>>>> system back to an infant's 'zero', so that you can perhaps learn it
>>>> correctly 2nd time.
>>>
>>> Go take you clot shot then. Take twenty.
>>
>> Already have; around five so far for CoVid, plus many flu shots.  Plus
>> I've boosted some traditional childhood vaccines that never provided
>> "100% permanent sterilizing immunity" from, such as for Polio in 2006.
>> My Meningococcal & Typhoid expired in 2021, but Tetanus & Yellow Fever
>> vaccinations don't need to be renewed before 2026.
>
> I'm enjoying my far superior natural immunity to Covid. I got the virus
> years ago, before the shot was released, and I haven't had it since.

Suuuure you did. And you have the genetic sequencing of that virus to
substantiate your claim too...right? Post it.

> If I do get sick with it again, it likely will NOT be anywhere NEAR as bad
> as it was.

You'll not be alive when your family posts that you've died when its
then our time to say: "No, and I told you so".

-hh