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Subject: Re: "My kids hate the Linux challenge"
From: RonB
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Subject: Re: "My kids hate the Linux challenge"
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On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-06-06 12:28 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-06 9:39 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-06-06 8:21 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-06-06, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-06-05 9:44 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-06-05, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Since I'm such a terrible shill and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS25mCLyQyk>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have NOT had a stable Linux experience.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/rVmJooy5NiU?si=2D0FfhbhrXMFRwvP>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Looks like the Linux community charmed Linus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://youtu.be/fJB9fdXWiiw?si=0-JlvJROJyfG2hNF>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks like this guy has a lot of problems with Linux. He also looks to be a
>>>>>>>> game player. Maybe he should stick with Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have problems with Linux stability (and haven't had any stability
>>>>>>>> problems for about 18 years). If I did I wouldn't still be using Linux. But
>>>>>>>> I don't play Windows video games, so that might be the key to his (and your)
>>>>>>>> Linux issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's a professional, gaming is but one of the things he does. The
>>>>>>> reality here is that if you're looking to do more than just go on the
>>>>>>> web, write texts and send e-mails, Linux is just not an appropriate
>>>>>>> machine. He keeps giving it a shot and getting disappointed at how bad
>>>>>>> it is for everything else. However, he thought he might be biased so he
>>>>>>> asked his kids to use it instead. They too can't stand it. Imagine being
>>>>>>> a kid and being open to just about anything that's put in front of you
>>>>>>> but even you, with an age that hasn't even reached the double digits,
>>>>>>> think that Linux is lacking. As sad as this is, if you value your time
>>>>>>> at all, there are but two options: Windows or Mac, same as in the 90s. A
>>>>>>> friend of mine recently moved from Windows to the Mac and considers the
>>>>>>> Mac Mini the best desktop he's ever owned. He tried Linux several times
>>>>>>> before but came to the same conclusion as I have: it's not ready, won't
>>>>>>> be ready, and isn't worth the trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullshit. He's ONE person. He's taking a Linux "challenge." Obviously that
>>>>>> means he's not used to using Linux. He's just one voice among thousands, but
>>>>>> he happens to agree with your current position on Linux. Many people use
>>>>>> Linux for all kinds of projects. You have a tendency to generalize, assuming
>>>>>> you know what you don't know about why and how people use Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for his kids, they want to play MineCraft with him and apparently they
>>>>>> can't play MineCraft Dungeons (whatever that is). So, yeah, his kids are
>>>>>> thwarted in what they currently want to use their computers to do. That
>>>>>> means basically NOTHING about Linux and what can be done with it. And, as
>>>>>> I've said (now countless times), if you want to play Windows games, Linux is
>>>>>> not your best platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you search long enough you're always going to find disgruntled people
>>>>>> whining about something — and you happen to be searching for disgruntled
>>>>>> people whining about Linux, so you've found one. Congratulations, you can
>>>>>> use an Internet search engine. Now search for people who love Linux and have
>>>>>> used it for years to balance things out. You'll find plenty of those people
>>>>>> as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you're frustrated because you want to use Linux because of the BS
>>>>>> Microsoft is doing with Windows — but you're just going to have accept that
>>>>>> Windows is a better platform for Windows video games. That doesn't mean
>>>>>> Linux is not a good OS, it's just got the odds stacked against for playing
>>>>>> these *WINDOWS* games.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for valuing my time, Updating Windows 10 just two times probably takes as
>>>>>> much time as updating Linux for a couple years. I've used Windows, and I own
>>>>>> a couple Macs. I don't like or use either of those OSes. I like Linux
>>>>>> because it's superior and makes more sense. (But it's not superior for
>>>>>> playing Windows games or running bloated Microcrap Office — so if that's
>>>>>> important to a user, they're probably better off using Windows.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck with whatever direction you go. You'll have no luck convincing me
>>>>>> that Windows or Mac OS is better than Linux — no matter how many so-called
>>>>>> YouTube "experts" you trot out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of respect for you, I'm choosing not to answer each point
>>>>> individually. I cite Linus merely because his interests in computing are
>>>>> similar to mine. Like me, he does not want to be limited by the hardware
>>>>> he buys and he doesn't want to be mocked when he finds a problem with
>>>>> software. Unfortunately for both of us, Linux is definitely not
>>>>> something which can deliver. He and I both love the idea of it, but
>>>>> can't stand the final product. I'm sure Communists were just as
>>>>> disappointed that the ideology they were theoretically in agreement with
>>>>> ended up causing them to starve and lose their individual rights.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I'm the opposite. I think I would quit using computers altogether if I
>>>> had to use Windows. Since Mac OSX at least has a UNIX base, I might be able
>>>> to stomach it, but what I've seen of it so far I'm not crazy about it.
>>>>
>>>> Fortunately I don't have to use Windows or a Mac. I get to use Linux. Linux
>>>> "delivers" fine for me.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, the fact that I had to change the keyboard on this
>>> particular laptop and got the computer back with a defective fingerprint
>>> sensor is enough for me to consider the Mac very strongly when it will
>>> be time to upgrade. Even the best hardware manufacturers seem to have
>>> trouble making a machine that can withstand two years of use (three
>>> now). The fact that I get a $150 rebate on a Mac simply because I'm a
>>> teacher might be enough to seal the deal for me. Still, for all of the
>>> problems with Windows, I see very few issues with 11. It is, for me, the
>>> best they have made so far. It's easy to get attached to it despite the
>>> serious privacy concerns.
>>
>> The ads and spyware would keep me away from Windows 11, if nothing else. I
>> like the quality of my Latitude E7450 but the newer Ultrabooks (I believe)
>> are built like the Macs, with soldered on memory and SSD cards. I wouldn't
>> like that. That was an advantage that Dell (and others) had over Macs.
>> Windows laptops seem to be looking more and more like Macs — I guess they'll
>> start working more like Macs when they go to ARM chips.
>
> The soldering part, as well as the fact that I would be losing my game
> and movie libraries, would be the reasons I wouldn't migrate to the Mac.
> I got rid of the MacBook Air specifically because I knew that the
> storage would eventually stop allowing me to write to it which has the
> effect of completely killing the Mac (look it up on YouTube) by sending
> 12V to the other components. If I went in the Mac's direction, I would
> at least upgrade to much larger storage to guarantee that reaching the
> TBW limit would take more than half a decade. Still, I prefer the idea
> of being able to replace the SSD for larger if I need it down the line,
> and upgrading RAM whenever I choose to. If the price I have to pay to
> get that and a decent computing experience is Windows, I'm happy to take it.

I agree with you on replaceable RAM and SSDs — fortunately (for me) Linux
will work on the same computers.

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