On 2025-01-07 16:31, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 1/7/25 1:30 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On 2025-01-07 13:14, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2025-01-07 11:26, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2025-01-07 08:43, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-06 16:20, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Natural Philosopher wrote this post while blinking in Morse
>>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2025 19:06, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2025-01-06 10:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06/01/2025 13:49, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The way they sell it, warming means a lesser availability of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fresh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water. Obviously, this would result in people dying. With
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cooling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though, there would be a decreased availability of food in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I don't see how one is worse than the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Except the narrative says that all of greenland will melt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuck of a lot of fresh water
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If all of Greenland will melt, the people who are suddenly
>>>>>>>>>>>> inconvenienced by the world's warming could move there and
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn the
>>>>>>>>>>>> continent-like country into something inhabitable for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> first time in
>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of years. I imagine that as a result of it never
>>>>>>>>>>>> really being
>>>>>>>>>>>> used for agriculture, that land is incredibly fertile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not wrong there. In fact huge areas of Canadian, Alaskan and
>>>>>>>>>>> Siberian
>>>>>>>>>>> tundra would be really quite nice places to live. Scarcely
>>>>>>>>>>> worse than
>>>>>>>>>>> Scotland
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Except for buildings and equipment sinking into the melting
>>>>>>>>>> tundra :-D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is soil underneath all of that, Chris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/u-s-military-
>>>>>>>> sees-growing-threat-in-thawing-permafrost/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        Climate change is rapidly altering the Arctic landscape, in
>>>>>>>> particular the
>>>>>>>>        permafrost that serves as a foundation for buildings across
>>>>>>>> the region.
>>>>>>>>        Warming temperatures are thawing out the frozen ground, and
>>>>>>>> in the process
>>>>>>>>        it is threatening to unsettle structures that were built
>>>>>>>> decades ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "... that were built decades ago." How many buildings have been
>>>>>>> erected
>>>>>>> decades ago in the waste known as Greenland? Even in Quebec where the
>>>>>>> north is settled to a degree, the amount of buildings in existence is
>>>>>>> minimal because the population is itself tiny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        That's particularly worrisome for the U.S. military, which
>>>>>>>> maintains
>>>>>>>>        facilities across the Arctic region. And it's one reason
>>>>>>>> Hicks embarked on
>>>>>>>>        a two-day tour of the nation’s northernmost military bases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        “Building and maintaining infrastructure — like runways —
>>>>>>>> on permafrost
>>>>>>>>        presents unique challenges for Arctic nations — which are
>>>>>>>> growing with the
>>>>>>>>        effects of climate change,” Hicks wrote in a Twitter post
>>>>>>>> on Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once there is no longer permafrost, those challenges will be
>>>>>>> eradicated too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And replacement structures will be built/rebuilt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that doesn't include methane release.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't mind if the people building new structure fart a time or two. Do
>>>>> you, Chris?
>>>>
>>>> Cut the patronizing crap.
>>>
>>> I can't help but patronize here. You're looking at a gigantic country,
>>> bigger than Europe, which is more or less uninhabited at the moment
>>> because of its unfavourable conditions.
>>
>> Its uninhabited for a reason. Do you really think that if it was +10F
>> warmer that all of the reasons are going to suddenly disappear?
>>
>>> The climate _might_ be warming
>>> with the result being an uninhabited continent of a country becoming
>>> viable for life, and you're concerned that the few buildings it has
>>> might be destroyed and/or replaced, as if that hasn't happened in the
>>> West before, and that some methane might be released. Who gives a shit?
>>
>> Methane is known to be a pretty nasty greenhouse gas: you're looking at
>> a positive feedback loop. The observation on infrastructure is that it
>> is all going to be impacted & incur expenses even to maintain status quo
>> without any "everyone moves North" growth like you're suggesting.
>>
>>
>>> Suddenly, you have a place where you can send the useless people looking
>>> to be refugees in the West, if they really want freedom and another shot
>>> at life.
>>
>> Moot point when domestic policy won't let anyone in, even if these new
>> lands were to magically be opened up.
>>
>>> Suddenly, you have access to a wide variety of resources which
>>> have not yet been exploited.
>>
>> "Suddenly"? Oil fields at Prudhoe Bay started in the 1960's, before you
>> were born. And at 70°N, it's well above the Arctic Circle (66°34′N).
>>
>>> And here _you_ are, Chris, concerned that
>>> living there might increase the temperature in one hundred years by
>>> another 0.1 degree and increase the sea level by a millimetre.
>>
>> Except that there's already had +4" sea level rise since 1993...
>>
>> ...and the rate of temperature change is known to be increasing: the
>> trend in 2000 was for +1.5°C by 2041, but the post-1995 trendline shows
>> that that same +1.5°C datum is expected much earlier, in 2030. Note too
>> that as of 2024, we're already most of the way there, at +1.36°C datum:
>>
>> <https://x.com/WeatherProf/status/1876273745482121550/photo/1>
>>
>>> Funny enough, there are lots of buildings erected over a century ago
>>> that are surrounded by the same height of water today than they were
>>> back then.
>>
>> Which are waterfront on an *ocean*? Likewise, eliminate from
>> consideration all of those places which have built and/or raised
>> seawalls/barriers/etc, such as New York City, London, Venice...
>>
>>> Nothing has changed regardless of what some scientists they
>>> purchased tell you.
>>
>> One of my personal "To Do" projects is a 30+ year longitudinal photo
>> essay of a concrete jetty built on bedrock: it used to stand clear &
>> dry at high tide, but its now awash. Convince me on what's changed that
>> wasn't sea level rise.
>>
>>> We already know that the "global cooling," "global
>>> warming" and finally "climate change" garbage is a scam meant to enrich
>>> the people at the top even more. We are also aware that a lot of the
>>> floodings that have happened recently, like in Spain, were manufactured
>>> not natural. If you get rid of the structures holding the water out of
>>> certain areas, it's obvious that you will end up with flooding.
>>
>> Which explains the flooding channelized through a city, but not that the
>> rainfall amounts have become pretty biblical. For Valenia City, Spain,
>> the upstream town was Turis, which got 184.6mm in just one hour: that's
>> over 7 inches. Likewise, its 24 hour total was 771mm (30"+).
>
> This Andrzej guy is what I call a "frog in water set to boil" troll.
> He's done this before. Start out reasonable, and slowly ramp up the
> bullshit, to prolong the engagement.
>
> Another climate-change rationalizer?
>
> He's also done some racist posts; I should have plonked his smarmy ass
> days ago.

You've lived in my killfile on so many occasions that I don't even know
why I ever bother expecting a post from you that isn't effeminate. What
goes around comes around. Your posts are hereby filtered on my side too,
and I probably won't change my decision in the future.

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