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> Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <SWCdnW6wMNv8O-f6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
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> >> John Smyth wrote:
> >>> 'Your car is spying on you.'
> >>>
> >>> <https://archive.is/OXWgW>
> >>>
> >>> 'It?s not just Tesla. Vehicles amass huge troves of possibly sensitive
> >>> data.
> >>> Elon Musk?s willingness to share information about the Cybertruck
> >>> explosion has highlighted how much data cars collect -- and left some
> >>> drivers uneasy.'
> >>>
> >>> 'Video footage and other data collected by Tesla helped law enforcement
> >>> quickly piece together how a Cybertruck came to explode outside the
> >>> Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas on New Year?s Day.
> >>> The trove of digital evidence also served as a high-profile
> >>> demonstration of how much data modern cars collect about their drivers
> >>> and those around them.
> >>> Data privacy experts say the investigation ? which has determined that
> >>> the driver, active-duty U.S. Army soldier Matthew Livelsberger, died by
> >>> suicide before the blast ? highlights how car companies vacuum up reams
> >>> of data that can clear up mysteries but also be stolen or given to third
> >>> parties without drivers? knowledge. There are few regulations
> >>> controlling how and when law enforcement authorities can access data in
> >>> cars, and drivers are often unaware of the vast digital trail they leave
> >>> behind.
> >>> ?These are panopticons on wheels,? said Albert Fox Cahn, who founded the
> >>> Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, an advocacy group that argues
> >>> the volume and precision of data collected can pose civil liberties
> >>> concerns for people in sensitive situations, like attending protests or
> >>> going to abortion clinics.
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> >>> Federal and state officials have begun to scrutinize companies? use of
> >>> car data as evidence has emerged of its misuse. There have been reports
> >>> that abusive spouses tracked partners? locations, and that insurers
> >>> raised rates based on driving behavior data shared by car companies.
> >>> There have also been cases in which local police departments sought
> >>> video from Tesla cars that may have recorded a crime, or obtained
> >>> warrants to tow vehicles to secure such footage.
> >>> ?There?s something deeply ironic that this emblem of personal autonomy,
> >>> the idea of a car on the open road, might be one of the most heavily
> >>> surveilled places in many of our lives,? Cahn said.
> >>> More than 75 percent of car brands said they can share or sell drivers?
> >>> data, according to a 2023 Mozilla Foundation report assessing 25
> >>> international brands? data privacy policies. More than half said they
> >>> can share information at the request of law enforcement or the
> >>> government. Only two, Renault and Dacia ? neither of which is marketed
> >>> in the United States ? said drivers have the right to have personal data
> >>> deleted, the report said.
> >>> Industry groups say data collection protects drivers and allows
> >>> automakers to identify potential defects. Sensitive information can?t be
> >>> used for marketing or shared without consent, the Alliance for
> >>> Automotive Innovation said in a 2023 memo.
> >>> ?Yes, your vehicle is generating and transmitting certain safety data.
> >>> That?s by design,? the memo said. ?No, your car isn?t spying on you.?
> >>> Many cars have access to location data and camera footage if they?re
> >>> equipped with features such as parking assistance and navigational
> >>> systems. But Tesla likely has access to far more data thanks to its
> >>> suite of cameras used in its driver assistance features, its onboard
> >>> computers and its nationwide charging network.
> >>>
> >>> Three front facing cameras on a Tesla Model 7. (Mark Leong for The
> >>> Washington Post)
> >>> Tesla chief executive Elon Musk directly assisted investigators in the
> >>> New Year?s Day Cybertruck explosion and provided charging-station
> >>> footage tracking the suspect as he drove from Colorado to Las Vegas, Las
> >>> Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said. Musk offered investigators ?quite a
> >>> bit of additional information? on the truck and sent a team to Las Vegas
> >>> to help investigators extract data and video from the charred remains of
> >>> the truck.
> >>> McMahill also said investigators were looking for vehicles that may have
> >>> been at the charging stations at the same time as the suspect, ?because
> >>> their vehicles would have also had cameras that would have taped anybody
> >>> in and around them.?
> >>> On Thursday, the team of investigators in Las Vegas ? which includes the
> >>> local sheriff and FBI ? showed video footage of the suspect, recorded
> >>> from multiple different angles, at a Tesla charging station in Arizona.
> >>> Las Vegas Assistant Sheriff Dori Koren did not specify how that exact
> >>> footage was obtained, but said the Tesla team sent by Musk helped
> >>> investigators recover a thumb drive that ?records other types of data
> >>> that includes video by the Tesla.? The team also helped investigators
> >>> retrieve data from the vehicle that determined it was not in
> >>> self-driving mode at any point during Livelsberger?s journey to Las
> >>> Vegas.
> >>> While Musk?s swift assistance was applauded by authorities, his highly
> >>> publicized actions also raised complicated emotions for people like
> >>> Justin Demaree, a Cybertruck owner and Tesla enthusiast, who runs a
> >>> popular YouTube channel called Bearded Tesla Guy.
> >>> Demaree said while he appreciates Musk?s willingness to help
> >>> investigators ? especially in a case the FBI was initially probing as a
> >>> potential act of terrorism ? the incident showcased just how much
> >>> personal information Tesla has at its fingertips about its drivers.
> >>> ?It?s a double-edged sword,? said Demaree, 36, as he drove his
> >>> Cybertruck in ?Full Self-Driving? mode from Orlando to Las Vegas to
> >>> attend CES, the prominent annual tech conference. ?We want our privacy
> >>> and we don?t want our data shared ? but you want to help in a situation
> >>> where terrorism could be a factor.?
> >>>
> >>> Tesla owner Adam Gershowitz, a law professor at William and Mary who has
> >>> studied police searches of digital data, said he is willing to sacrifice
> >>> a level of privacy for the convenience of the car?s navigational
> >>> systems, infotainment centers and backup cameras at their disposal.
> >>>
> >>> ?The thing that makes it so dangerous from a privacy perspective is the
> >>> same thing that makes it a terrific automobile,? he said.
> >>> Still, Gershowitz said, it makes him uneasy to consider how quick Musk
> >>> was to share the information that immediately dispelled speculation that
> >>> the explosion was caused by an issue with the vehicle itself. As
> >>> investigators pieced together the case on New Year?s Day, Musk has
> >>> posted developments on social media ? in one case appearing to beat law
> >>> enforcement to confirm the explosion was caused by fireworks and a bomb.
> >>> He cited the vehicle?s telemetry, the technology that automatically
> >>> gathers and relays data.
> >>> Carter Gibson, a 34-year-old tech worker in San Francisco who owns a
> >>> Rivian ? an electric vehicle also chock full of sophisticated technology
> >>> and cameras ? said he doesn?t mind if the data is used to enhance public
> >>> safety or track those who have caused harm and done something illegal.
> >>> While the amount of available information opens up new problems around
> >>> profiling and data sharing, he said, he believes it could be a net
> >>> positive for society ? if done correctly.
> >>>
> >>> Carter Gibson, 34, with his Rivian. (Carter Gibson)
> >>> Gibson, a Rivian enthusiast who runs a subreddit of more than 100,000
> >>> users about the car, said Musk?s willingness to share information so
> >>> openly was ?creepy? and has shaken his trust in how Tesla deals with
> >>> customer data.
> >>> ?I, like most people, am not reading the privacy policy in detail,
> >>> everyone just hits ?agree,?? he said. ?But this is where brand
> >>> perception really starts to play a role in how safe people feel with the
> >>> car.?
> >>> Tesla did not respond to a request for comment.
> >>> The cameras on Teslas and autonomous vehicles can record what is
> >>> happening around them ? a level of ?passive surveillance? that is
> >>> invaluable to police, said Matthew Wansley, a professor at Cardozo
> >>> School of Law who focuses on the intersection of technology and law.
> >>> If law enforcement needs information about what happened outside a club,
> >>> for example, they might say, ?Let?s just call Waymo,? he said, to see
> >>> whether one of the robotaxis now rolling in San Francisco and other
> >>> cities was driving by.
> >>> Waymo and the Autonomous Vehicle Industry Association did not respond to
> >>> requests for comment.
> >>> Beyond such passive collection of data, drivers unwittingly give away
> >>> information about themselves when they rent a car, data privacy
> >>> advocates say.
> >>> Rental companies typically opt in to tracking services and other
> >>> functions that vehicle owners could turn off, said Eva Galperin,
> >>> cybersecurity director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
> >>> If the car title is in its name, the rental company has control over
> >>> location history, biometrics and any other personal information a renter
> >>> leaves behind, said Andrea Amico, who founded a company called
> >>> Privacy4Cars that works to protect consumers from vehicle data
> >>> collection.
> >>> ?You have zero rights,? Amico said.
> >>> The Cybertruck in the Las Vegas case was rented through Turo, which
> >>> operates like an Airbnb for vehicles. The company did not immediately
> >>> respond to a request for comment, but its terms of service say hosts ?
> >>> the owners of the rented cars ? may collect nonpersonal information like
> >>> acceleration, location and direction. Users authorize the use or
> >>> disclosure of such data unless prohibited by law, the policy says.
> >>> The American Car Rental Association did not respond to a request for
> >>> comment.
> >>> Amico got the idea for Privacy4Cars while running a used car inspection
> >>> company. One day, he saw the navigation system in one of the cars still
> >>> had directions to the previous owner?s home.
> >>> ?I can see the name of the person because they synced their phone ? I
> >>> know where she?s taking her two daughters to school. I know which cancer
> >>> hospital she?s going to,? he said. ?That?s when I went, ?Oh, s--t.?'
> >>>
> >> i don't have a car
> >
> > have you checked your snowblower for bugs
> >
> there's no bugs here in the winter time ,
> the magpies eat them all and they hide them under that tree

i knew a mountain lady that ate magpie