Skeeter wrote:
> In article <SWCdnW6wMNv8O-f6nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>, pursent100
> @gmail.com says...
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>> John Smyth wrote:
>>> 'Your car is spying on you.'
>>>
>>> <https://archive.is/OXWgW>
>>>
>>> 'It?s not just Tesla. Vehicles amass huge troves of possibly sensitive
>>> data.
>>> Elon Musk?s willingness to share information about the Cybertruck
>>> explosion has highlighted how much data cars collect -- and left some
>>> drivers uneasy.'
>>>
>>> 'Video footage and other data collected by Tesla helped law enforcement
>>> quickly piece together how a Cybertruck came to explode outside the
>>> Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas on New Year?s Day.
>>> The trove of digital evidence also served as a high-profile
>>> demonstration of how much data modern cars collect about their drivers
>>> and those around them.
>>> Data privacy experts say the investigation ? which has determined that
>>> the driver, active-duty U.S. Army soldier Matthew Livelsberger, died by
>>> suicide before the blast ? highlights how car companies vacuum up reams
>>> of data that can clear up mysteries but also be stolen or given to third
>>> parties without drivers? knowledge. There are few regulations
>>> controlling how and when law enforcement authorities can access data in
>>> cars, and drivers are often unaware of the vast digital trail they leave
>>> behind.
>>> ?These are panopticons on wheels,? said Albert Fox Cahn, who founded the
>>> Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, an advocacy group that argues
>>> the volume and precision of data collected can pose civil liberties
>>> concerns for people in sensitive situations, like attending protests or
>>> going to abortion clinics.
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>>> Federal and state officials have begun to scrutinize companies? use of
>>> car data as evidence has emerged of its misuse. There have been reports
>>> that abusive spouses tracked partners? locations, and that insurers
>>> raised rates based on driving behavior data shared by car companies.
>>> There have also been cases in which local police departments sought
>>> video from Tesla cars that may have recorded a crime, or obtained
>>> warrants to tow vehicles to secure such footage.
>>> ?There?s something deeply ironic that this emblem of personal autonomy,
>>> the idea of a car on the open road, might be one of the most heavily
>>> surveilled places in many of our lives,? Cahn said.
>>> More than 75 percent of car brands said they can share or sell drivers?
>>> data, according to a 2023 Mozilla Foundation report assessing 25
>>> international brands? data privacy policies. More than half said they
>>> can share information at the request of law enforcement or the
>>> government. Only two, Renault and Dacia ? neither of which is marketed
>>> in the United States ? said drivers have the right to have personal data
>>> deleted, the report said.
>>> Industry groups say data collection protects drivers and allows
>>> automakers to identify potential defects. Sensitive information can?t be
>>> used for marketing or shared without consent, the Alliance for
>>> Automotive Innovation said in a 2023 memo.
>>> ?Yes, your vehicle is generating and transmitting certain safety data.
>>> That?s by design,? the memo said. ?No, your car isn?t spying on you.?
>>> Many cars have access to location data and camera footage if they?re
>>> equipped with features such as parking assistance and navigational
>>> systems. But Tesla likely has access to far more data thanks to its
>>> suite of cameras used in its driver assistance features, its onboard
>>> computers and its nationwide charging network.
>>>
>>> Three front facing cameras on a Tesla Model 7. (Mark Leong for The
>>> Washington Post)
>>> Tesla chief executive Elon Musk directly assisted investigators in the
>>> New Year?s Day Cybertruck explosion and provided charging-station
>>> footage tracking the suspect as he drove from Colorado to Las Vegas, Las
>>> Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said. Musk offered investigators ?quite a
>>> bit of additional information? on the truck and sent a team to Las Vegas
>>> to help investigators extract data and video from the charred remains of
>>> the truck.
>>> McMahill also said investigators were looking for vehicles that may have
>>> been at the charging stations at the same time as the suspect, ?because
>>> their vehicles would have also had cameras that would have taped anybody
>>> in and around them.?
>>> On Thursday, the team of investigators in Las Vegas ? which includes the
>>> local sheriff and FBI ? showed video footage of the suspect, recorded
>>> from multiple different angles, at a Tesla charging station in Arizona.
>>> Las Vegas Assistant Sheriff Dori Koren did not specify how that exact
>>> footage was obtained, but said the Tesla team sent by Musk helped
>>> investigators recover a thumb drive that ?records other types of data
>>> that includes video by the Tesla.? The team also helped investigators
>>> retrieve data from the vehicle that determined it was not in
>>> self-driving mode at any point during Livelsberger?s journey to Las
>>> Vegas.
>>> While Musk?s swift assistance was applauded by authorities, his highly
>>> publicized actions also raised complicated emotions for people like
>>> Justin Demaree, a Cybertruck owner and Tesla enthusiast, who runs a
>>> popular YouTube channel called Bearded Tesla Guy.
>>> Demaree said while he appreciates Musk?s willingness to help
>>> investigators ? especially in a case the FBI was initially probing as a
>>> potential act of terrorism ? the incident showcased just how much
>>> personal information Tesla has at its fingertips about its drivers.
>>> ?It?s a double-edged sword,? said Demaree, 36, as he drove his
>>> Cybertruck in ?Full Self-Driving? mode from Orlando to Las Vegas to
>>> attend CES, the prominent annual tech conference. ?We want our privacy
>>> and we don?t want our data shared ? but you want to help in a situation
>>> where terrorism could be a factor.?
>>>
>>> Tesla owner Adam Gershowitz, a law professor at William and Mary who has
>>> studied police searches of digital data, said he is willing to sacrifice
>>> a level of privacy for the convenience of the car?s navigational
>>> systems, infotainment centers and backup cameras at their disposal.
>>>
>>> ?The thing that makes it so dangerous from a privacy perspective is the
>>> same thing that makes it a terrific automobile,? he said.
>>> Still, Gershowitz said, it makes him uneasy to consider how quick Musk
>>> was to share the information that immediately dispelled speculation that
>>> the explosion was caused by an issue with the vehicle itself. As
>>> investigators pieced together the case on New Year?s Day, Musk has
>>> posted developments on social media ? in one case appearing to beat law
>>> enforcement to confirm the explosion was caused by fireworks and a bomb.
>>> He cited the vehicle?s telemetry, the technology that automatically
>>> gathers and relays data.
>>> Carter Gibson, a 34-year-old tech worker in San Francisco who owns a
>>> Rivian ? an electric vehicle also chock full of sophisticated technology
>>> and cameras ? said he doesn?t mind if the data is used to enhance public
>>> safety or track those who have caused harm and done something illegal.
>>> While the amount of available information opens up new problems around
>>> profiling and data sharing, he said, he believes it could be a net
>>> positive for society ? if done correctly.
>>>
>>> Carter Gibson, 34, with his Rivian. (Carter Gibson)
>>> Gibson, a Rivian enthusiast who runs a subreddit of more than 100,000
>>> users about the car, said Musk?s willingness to share information so
>>> openly was ?creepy? and has shaken his trust in how Tesla deals with
>>> customer data.
>>> ?I, like most people, am not reading the privacy policy in detail,
>>> everyone just hits ?agree,?? he said. ?But this is where brand
>>> perception really starts to play a role in how safe people feel with the
>>> car.?
>>> Tesla did not respond to a request for comment.
>>> The cameras on Teslas and autonomous vehicles can record what is
>>> happening around them ? a level of ?passive surveillance? that is
>>> invaluable to police, said Matthew Wansley, a professor at Cardozo
>>> School of Law who focuses on the intersection of technology and law.
>>> If law enforcement needs information about what happened outside a club,
>>> for example, they might say, ?Let?s just call Waymo,? he said, to see
>>> whether one of the robotaxis now rolling in San Francisco and other
>>> cities was driving by.
>>> Waymo and the Autonomous Vehicle Industry Association did not respond to
>>> requests for comment.
>>> Beyond such passive collection of data, drivers unwittingly give away
>>> information about themselves when they rent a car, data privacy
>>> advocates say.
>>> Rental companies typically opt in to tracking services and other
>>> functions that vehicle owners could turn off, said Eva Galperin,
>>> cybersecurity director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
>>> If the car title is in its name, the rental company has control over
>>> location history, biometrics and any other personal information a renter
>>> leaves behind, said Andrea Amico, who founded a company called
>>> Privacy4Cars that works to protect consumers from vehicle data
>>> collection.
>>> ?You have zero rights,? Amico said.
>>> The Cybertruck in the Las Vegas case was rented through Turo, which
>>> operates like an Airbnb for vehicles. The company did not immediately
>>> respond to a request for comment, but its terms of service say hosts ?
>>> the owners of the rented cars ? may collect nonpersonal information like
>>> acceleration, location and direction. Users authorize the use or
>>> disclosure of such data unless prohibited by law, the policy says.
>>> The American Car Rental Association did not respond to a request for
>>> comment.
>>> Amico got the idea for Privacy4Cars while running a used car inspection
>>> company. One day, he saw the navigation system in one of the cars still
>>> had directions to the previous owner?s home.
>>> ?I can see the name of the person because they synced their phone ? I
>>> know where she?s taking her two daughters to school. I know which cancer
>>> hospital she?s going to,? he said. ?That?s when I went, ?Oh, s--t.?'
>>>
>> i don't have a car
>
> have you checked your snowblower for bugs
>
there's no bugs here in the winter time ,
the magpies eat them all and they hide them under that tree