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> John Smyth wrote:
> > 'Your car is spying on you.'
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> > 'It?s not just Tesla. Vehicles amass huge troves of possibly sensitive
> > data.
> > Elon Musk?s willingness to share information about the Cybertruck
> > explosion has highlighted how much data cars collect -- and left some
> > drivers uneasy.'
> >
> > 'Video footage and other data collected by Tesla helped law enforcement
> > quickly piece together how a Cybertruck came to explode outside the
> > Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas on New Year?s Day.
> > The trove of digital evidence also served as a high-profile
> > demonstration of how much data modern cars collect about their drivers
> > and those around them.
> > Data privacy experts say the investigation ? which has determined that
> > the driver, active-duty U.S. Army soldier Matthew Livelsberger, died by
> > suicide before the blast ? highlights how car companies vacuum up reams
> > of data that can clear up mysteries but also be stolen or given to third
> > parties without drivers? knowledge. There are few regulations
> > controlling how and when law enforcement authorities can access data in
> > cars, and drivers are often unaware of the vast digital trail they leave
> > behind.
> > ?These are panopticons on wheels,? said Albert Fox Cahn, who founded the
> > Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, an advocacy group that argues
> > the volume and precision of data collected can pose civil liberties
> > concerns for people in sensitive situations, like attending protests or
> > going to abortion clinics.
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> > Federal and state officials have begun to scrutinize companies? use of
> > car data as evidence has emerged of its misuse. There have been reports
> > that abusive spouses tracked partners? locations, and that insurers
> > raised rates based on driving behavior data shared by car companies.
> > There have also been cases in which local police departments sought
> > video from Tesla cars that may have recorded a crime, or obtained
> > warrants to tow vehicles to secure such footage.
> > ?There?s something deeply ironic that this emblem of personal autonomy,
> > the idea of a car on the open road, might be one of the most heavily
> > surveilled places in many of our lives,? Cahn said.
> > More than 75 percent of car brands said they can share or sell drivers?
> > data, according to a 2023 Mozilla Foundation report assessing 25
> > international brands? data privacy policies. More than half said they
> > can share information at the request of law enforcement or the
> > government. Only two, Renault and Dacia ? neither of which is marketed
> > in the United States ? said drivers have the right to have personal data
> > deleted, the report said.
> > Industry groups say data collection protects drivers and allows
> > automakers to identify potential defects. Sensitive information can?t be
> > used for marketing or shared without consent, the Alliance for
> > Automotive Innovation said in a 2023 memo.
> > ?Yes, your vehicle is generating and transmitting certain safety data.
> > That?s by design,? the memo said. ?No, your car isn?t spying on you.?
> > Many cars have access to location data and camera footage if they?re
> > equipped with features such as parking assistance and navigational
> > systems. But Tesla likely has access to far more data thanks to its
> > suite of cameras used in its driver assistance features, its onboard
> > computers and its nationwide charging network.
> >
> > Three front facing cameras on a Tesla Model 7. (Mark Leong for The
> > Washington Post)
> > Tesla chief executive Elon Musk directly assisted investigators in the
> > New Year?s Day Cybertruck explosion and provided charging-station
> > footage tracking the suspect as he drove from Colorado to Las Vegas, Las
> > Vegas Sheriff Kevin McMahill said. Musk offered investigators ?quite a
> > bit of additional information? on the truck and sent a team to Las Vegas
> > to help investigators extract data and video from the charred remains of
> > the truck.
> > McMahill also said investigators were looking for vehicles that may have
> > been at the charging stations at the same time as the suspect, ?because
> > their vehicles would have also had cameras that would have taped anybody
> > in and around them.?
> > On Thursday, the team of investigators in Las Vegas ? which includes the
> > local sheriff and FBI ? showed video footage of the suspect, recorded
> > from multiple different angles, at a Tesla charging station in Arizona.
> > Las Vegas Assistant Sheriff Dori Koren did not specify how that exact
> > footage was obtained, but said the Tesla team sent by Musk helped
> > investigators recover a thumb drive that ?records other types of data
> > that includes video by the Tesla.? The team also helped investigators
> > retrieve data from the vehicle that determined it was not in
> > self-driving mode at any point during Livelsberger?s journey to Las
> > Vegas.
> > While Musk?s swift assistance was applauded by authorities, his highly
> > publicized actions also raised complicated emotions for people like
> > Justin Demaree, a Cybertruck owner and Tesla enthusiast, who runs a
> > popular YouTube channel called Bearded Tesla Guy.
> > Demaree said while he appreciates Musk?s willingness to help
> > investigators ? especially in a case the FBI was initially probing as a
> > potential act of terrorism ? the incident showcased just how much
> > personal information Tesla has at its fingertips about its drivers.
> > ?It?s a double-edged sword,? said Demaree, 36, as he drove his
> > Cybertruck in ?Full Self-Driving? mode from Orlando to Las Vegas to
> > attend CES, the prominent annual tech conference. ?We want our privacy
> > and we don?t want our data shared ? but you want to help in a situation
> > where terrorism could be a factor.?
> >
> > Tesla owner Adam Gershowitz, a law professor at William and Mary who has
> > studied police searches of digital data, said he is willing to sacrifice
> > a level of privacy for the convenience of the car?s navigational
> > systems, infotainment centers and backup cameras at their disposal.
> >
> > ?The thing that makes it so dangerous from a privacy perspective is the
> > same thing that makes it a terrific automobile,? he said.
> > Still, Gershowitz said, it makes him uneasy to consider how quick Musk
> > was to share the information that immediately dispelled speculation that
> > the explosion was caused by an issue with the vehicle itself. As
> > investigators pieced together the case on New Year?s Day, Musk has
> > posted developments on social media ? in one case appearing to beat law
> > enforcement to confirm the explosion was caused by fireworks and a bomb.
> > He cited the vehicle?s telemetry, the technology that automatically
> > gathers and relays data.
> > Carter Gibson, a 34-year-old tech worker in San Francisco who owns a
> > Rivian ? an electric vehicle also chock full of sophisticated technology
> > and cameras ? said he doesn?t mind if the data is used to enhance public
> > safety or track those who have caused harm and done something illegal.
> > While the amount of available information opens up new problems around
> > profiling and data sharing, he said, he believes it could be a net
> > positive for society ? if done correctly.
> >
> > Carter Gibson, 34, with his Rivian. (Carter Gibson)
> > Gibson, a Rivian enthusiast who runs a subreddit of more than 100,000
> > users about the car, said Musk?s willingness to share information so
> > openly was ?creepy? and has shaken his trust in how Tesla deals with
> > customer data.
> > ?I, like most people, am not reading the privacy policy in detail,
> > everyone just hits ?agree,?? he said. ?But this is where brand
> > perception really starts to play a role in how safe people feel with the
> > car.?
> > Tesla did not respond to a request for comment.
> > The cameras on Teslas and autonomous vehicles can record what is
> > happening around them ? a level of ?passive surveillance? that is
> > invaluable to police, said Matthew Wansley, a professor at Cardozo
> > School of Law who focuses on the intersection of technology and law.
> > If law enforcement needs information about what happened outside a club,
> > for example, they might say, ?Let?s just call Waymo,? he said, to see
> > whether one of the robotaxis now rolling in San Francisco and other
> > cities was driving by.
> > Waymo and the Autonomous Vehicle Industry Association did not respond to
> > requests for comment.
> > Beyond such passive collection of data, drivers unwittingly give away
> > information about themselves when they rent a car, data privacy
> > advocates say.
> > Rental companies typically opt in to tracking services and other
> > functions that vehicle owners could turn off, said Eva Galperin,
> > cybersecurity director at the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
> > If the car title is in its name, the rental company has control over
> > location history, biometrics and any other personal information a renter
> > leaves behind, said Andrea Amico, who founded a company called
> > Privacy4Cars that works to protect consumers from vehicle data
> > collection.
> > ?You have zero rights,? Amico said.
> > The Cybertruck in the Las Vegas case was rented through Turo, which
> > operates like an Airbnb for vehicles. The company did not immediately
> > respond to a request for comment, but its terms of service say hosts ?
> > the owners of the rented cars ? may collect nonpersonal information like
> > acceleration, location and direction. Users authorize the use or
> > disclosure of such data unless prohibited by law, the policy says.
> > The American Car Rental Association did not respond to a request for
> > comment.
> > Amico got the idea for Privacy4Cars while running a used car inspection
> > company. One day, he saw the navigation system in one of the cars still
> > had directions to the previous owner?s home.
> > ?I can see the name of the person because they synced their phone ? I
> > know where she?s taking her two daughters to school. I know which cancer
> > hospital she?s going to,? he said. ?That?s when I went, ?Oh, s--t.?'
> >
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