On 2024-12-20, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-20 à 00:52, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>>>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>>>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>>>>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>>>>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>>>>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>>>>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
>>>>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
>>>>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
>>>>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
>>>>>>>> charging — of any kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>>>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>>>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>>>>>>>>> CPU).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>>>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>>>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>>>>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>>>>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>>>>>>>>> sooner, all the better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
>>>>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
>>>>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the
>>>>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64
>>>>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core
>>>>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have
>>>>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop
>>>>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new
>>>>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but
>>>>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop
>>>>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available.
>>>>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one.
>>>>
>>>> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that
>>>> parts are widely available and cheap.
>>>
>>> True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a
>>> while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars
>>> after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about
>>> three.
>>
>> I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always
>> managed to find the parts I need.
>
> I guess the Dell Latitude is the Model T of computers.

Popular and plentiful at any rate. I don't know about the newest ones.

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