Le 2024-12-20 à 00:52, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-19 à 03:03, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:09, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:13, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:27, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-15 à 02:23, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 10:44, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Higher performance per watt which leads to lower power use and therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved battery life. Whether Intel and AMD want to admit it or not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people _do_ want to have a computer which can handle a whole day's work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a single charge and which won't increase electrical bills.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While I agree that most people want longer battery life for their laptops, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really don't think the cost of charging a laptop is that big of a concern.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to a person who lives in an area where electricity is cheap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it is only going to become more expensive in places like Europe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where its production depend on a resource acquired from Russia. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way they switched to fuel-efficient or electric cars to lower their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reliance on gasoline, they are probably going to switch to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> energy-efficient machines to reduce their need for electricity altogether.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If things are getting that dire in Europe they're going to have to learn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to live without computers at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If this were the 80s and Europe were facing these issues, I imagine that
>>>>>>>>>>>> either Atari or Commodore would have produced a very efficient computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> which would only need to be charged once daily. Let's not forget how
>>>>>>>>>>>> popular the ST and the Amiga were over there while they were failing
>>>>>>>>>>>> miserably in North America. Because both companies are dead, the most
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely scenario is that they will move to the efficient machines made by
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple or equipped with Qualcomm's processors. I do not think that their
>>>>>>>>>>>> energy crisis is going to get better anytime soon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical that the electricity needed to charge a laptop
>>>>>>>>>>> is that big of a concern, even in Europe.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In that case, you should look at how Germany's economy is tanking,
>>>>>>>>>> specifically the result of a lack of cheap oil coming in from Russia.
>>>>>>>>>> You can imagine that the smaller supply of oil will result in electrical
>>>>>>>>>> production being more expensive and for the power bills to be much
>>>>>>>>>> higher for the average German. As a result, they are not as likely as
>>>>>>>>>> they once might have been to buy the powerful PC which requires 800W of
>>>>>>>>>> power to play a game every hour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have to "imagine" that the lack of cheap Russian gas is hurting
>>>>>>>>> Germany's economy (that's plain to see every day in the international news).
>>>>>>>>> I'm just having trouble imagining that this is resulting in angst about the
>>>>>>>>> amount of electricity required to charge a laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the price you pay for electricity doubles, you are likely to look at
>>>>>>>> the devices in your house and make changes in the kind of machine you
>>>>>>>> buy. The promise of charging once a day rather than keeping a machine
>>>>>>>> plugged is likely to be a benefit to a European. The people of North
>>>>>>>> America probably won't care as much since power is cheap here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hypotheticals. I'll remain skeptical that this will be a major issue.
>>>>>>> (Unless, of course, there is no power at all — which may be a reality in
>>>>>>> Europe if they keep going down the destructive paths they've chosen. In that
>>>>>>> case keeping food from spoiling will probably take priority over laptop
>>>>>>> charging — of any kind).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only as long as whatever work you do doesn't depend on you having a
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I purposely use low power laptops and micro desktops because it's all I need
>>>>>>>>> and I don't like the background sound of fans. These all run Intel CPUs
>>>>>>>>> (except for the Wyse 5060 thin client desktop — it uses a low power AMD
>>>>>>>>> CPU).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, as usual, the standard disclaimer, I don't play Windows' video games or
>>>>>>>>> use high-end (watt gobbling) GPUs. I'm not sure, though, that ARM chips will
>>>>>>>>> be running these games in the future. (I guess we'll see.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ARM might, but I don't care to stick around to find out. At best, I
>>>>>>>> would imagine that ARM will play today's games as well as today's x86-64
>>>>>>>> PCs around 2027 or so through some compatibility layer. If it happens
>>>>>>>> sooner, all the better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing the power required to run Windows complex video games will not
>>>>>>> fit in ARM's low-power "wheelhouse." But we'll see. As I've mentioned (many
>>>>>>> times now) I'm not a game player.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ARM being low-power doesn't mean that it is low-performance. As the
>>>>>> Apple processors have shown, they're a lot more powerful than x86-64
>>>>>> processors on single-core applications. They're only worse on multi-core
>>>>>> and even then, not by much. ARM basically allows people to have
>>>>>> performance like they currently have but through much less battery power.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll watch and see what happens. I don't anticipate getting an ARM laptop
>>>>> (or desktop) in the near future — but then I don't anticipate buying any new
>>>>> computers at all in the next ten years (or so).
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to hold onto the one I have for as long as possible too, but
>>>> I know that it's just a matter of time before the keyboard's keys stop
>>>> working as they should and the parts to fix issue stop being available.
>>>> When that happens, I'll have no choice but to get another one.
>>>
>>> That's another advantage of Dell Latitudes. They made so many of them that
>>> parts are widely available and cheap.
>>
>> True, but those parts will probably only be found in landfills after a
>> while. The same way that it becomes difficult to find parts for cars
>> after five years, it becomes hard to find parts for laptops after about
>> three.
>
> I don't know. I've played with a lot of old Dell Latitudes and I've always
> managed to find the parts I need.

I guess the Dell Latitude is the Model T of computers.

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