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Subject: Re: The damage Biden has done. IT's WORSE Than You May Think.
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Subject: Re: The damage Biden has done. IT's WORSE Than You May Think.
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On Dec 12, 2024 at 11:12:43 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf93n$2sgn6$3@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b211c$0$212420$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:25:15 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf6ac$2rvu0$5@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>>> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>>>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>>>>>> sell alcohol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>>>>>> impossible#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then
>>>>>> blame
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
>>>>
>>>> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
>>>
>>> Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
>>> illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
>>> comparison to me.
>>
>> You are incorrect. Those substances are not people.
>
> And who said they were? Moonshiners and Drug Dealers are certainly people..
> which we created by making something illegal.

A substance being illegal and a person being here illegally are not the same.
>
>> But it is somewhat apt --
>> those substances are more dangerous and yet alcohol is legal and weed is
>> more
>> and more so. We realized prohibitions do not work.
>
> And yet, we've put a LOT of people in jail for those crimes even though we
> made not have eliminated it.

Not in contention. And we have not learned.
>
>
>>> But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while
>>> illegal
>>> immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.
>>
>> Where did I say it should not be seen as a crime? Speeding is a crime. Jay
>> walking is a crime. I just think we should keep it in perspective and look
>> at
>> the bigger picture.
>
> Oh, so it's ok to violate the law just as long as the "big picture" is
> breaking the law, any law, is acceptable?

How so? Again: I am saying to keep things in perspective... not to ignore law
breaking. Then again I will say I have no issue with jury nullification and
civil disobedience. But this is getting more philosophical than needed.
>
> Who decides what laws matter? Can I decide that the laws that keep me from
> murdering you shouldn't count and thus in the "big picture" you're not
> really relevant and your death doesn't matter?

You can decide that. There will be consequences.
>
> Please tell me who gets to decide such matters?

Each person can decide for themselves, but there can be consequences.
>
> Seems to me that's why we have laws to tell us those things are wrong...

Are you assuming what is illegal is wrong by definition?

>
>>>>> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.
>>>>
>>>> Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies.
>>>
>>> As should Biden and Hunter.
>>>
>>> Yet I don't see you complaining about them.
>>
>> He is not relevant here and he has not been convicted of multiple
>> felonies, no
>> less been found liable for sexual assault. Nor was he tied to Jan. 6.
>> Trying
>> to equate Hunter with this is absurd.
>
> Why not?

For the reasons stated. False equivalencies are false.

> Innocent people don't need pardons from their fathers.

Please tell me how you came to this conclusion, keeping in mind the current
situation where the incoming president has openly talked about using the
justice system to punish those that oppose him.
>
> After all, it's not the first time that Biden has used his office to protect
> his son from possible criminal prosecution.
>
> meanwhile I would note that the only reason Biden wasn't prosecuted is that
> he was deemed to mental incapacitated to stand trial..

Cite.

> yet was perfectly
> capable of not only continuing to carry out the office of President but to
> seek reelection.
>
> You can't have it both ways.

I need not have it YOUR way, which is not representative of my views.

>>>
>>>> Much worse than a misdemeanor
>>>> of illegally entering the country.
>>>
>>> And yet, you want to excuse them from punishment or even responsibility
>>> even
>>> as you hold Trump to a different standard.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>
> So why did Democrats spend over 4 years protecting Hunter Biden?

What leads you to this conclusion?
>
>
>>> Does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you?
>>
>> You made a false assumption that led to false conclusions.
>
> What assumption?

you want to excuse them from punishment or even responsibility
even as you hold Trump to a different standard.

You made that up.
>
>>>>> It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
>>>>> allow people without them to fly anyway.
>>>>
>>>> False equivalency is false.
>>>
>>> On the contrary,
>>
>> By definition it is true.
>
> If the equivalency is false... but if it's not false then it's true.

False equivalencies are false. That was my comment. You disagreed. I suppose
you wanted to say your false equivalency in specific was not false, but you
failed to make that argument.
>
>>> they are very much the same. A permit to allow you to do
>>> something that otherwise would be illegal for you to do.
>>>
>>> So once again we see your attempt to impose a double standard based on
>>> your
>>> prejudices.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>
> Totally correct.

You make up claims, attribute them to me, say they are inconsistent, then work
to hold me accountable for your actions. This is weak argumentation on your
part and suggests you do not feel you can make a reasoned argument.

>>>> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
>>>> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
>>>> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
>>>
>>> Who is attacking the messenger? I'm simply pointing out the
>>> inconsistencies
>>> and issues with your message.
>>
>> This is my standard .sig.
>
> Then maybe you should live up to it.
>

If you have any example otherwise by all mean note it. I am being very
respectful as you make up claims and falsely attribute them to me. I find many
who troll get quite annoyed at me for doing so... I do not see it as my job to
always correct such falsehoods. It is your job to try to defend your claims or
to accept you spoke in error.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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