In article <vgiore$2n4u3$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 11/7/24 8:30 AM, pothead wrote:
> > On 2024-11-07, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >> On 11/6/24 6:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>> On 2024-11-06, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 11/5/24 9:15 AM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-11-05, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 11/4/24 5:01 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2024-11-04, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 11/3/24 9:25 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <6726f4e0$0$2385543$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:03:34 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> <qopdijd7ms9h2tqgjbah19l27picjvdhg2@4ax.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> L>>>> On 02 Nov 2024 19:59:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You keep going off topic. Why not respond to the content, other than the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> reason you have already given -- you are a coward. The media was focused on
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the senility of the candidates... now when there is only one senile old man
> >>>>>>>>>>>> who clearly has lost his ability to understand what is going on around him
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they have dropped that. Why do you think that is?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Nearly a third of Georgia's registered voters have voted already by early or
> >>>>>>>>>>> mail.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> <shrug>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Trump will win. Harris has just not shown the decisiveness, the *ownership* of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the office.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I fear you might be correct.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> NP: Atlanta Rhythm Section - Georgia Rhythm
> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWRuhsWmSWY>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you have a safe spot picked out? Or will you just enjoy the lower
> >>>>>>>>> prices and closed border?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Well, the border would have been restricted to just 5,000/month if Trump
> >>>>>>>> hadn't ordered the bipartisan border deal legislation to be killed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On prices, if the CPI goes down without a recession, I'll send you $100:
> >>>>>>>> care to show your sincerity by reciprocating the upside on this wager?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No bill needed.
> >>>>>>> Just reinstate the Trump policies that Biden/Harris rescinded on day one,...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just which Trump policy has survived Court rulings to make it legal?
> >>>>>> Go ahead and list them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ... continue
> >>>>>>> building the wall and add to it additional high tech monitoring and all
> >>>>>>> would be fine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And you're willing to pay how much more in income taxes to pay for what
> >>>>>> you want? Put up a number.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why did Biden/Harris/Majorkas claim for 3.5 years that the border was secure?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Because CBP encounters were way up. CBP also reported that a lot of the
> >>>>>> apprehensions were repeats ... the same guy, again & again. I could
> >>>>>> look up the numbers, but my recollection is that something like 75% were
> >>>>>> repeats.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> <https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4455506-breaking-down-the-senate-border-bill-and-why-it-has-no-chance-of-passing/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No chance of passing isn't the same as saying if it would start to fix
> >>>>>> the immigration problems or not. Try again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Interesting that a libby is all of a sudden interested in policies being legal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, you'll find me stating "Rule of Law" many times in the archives.
> >>>> Case in point, here's one from over a decade ago:
> >>>
> >>> When your side is guilty of violating it?
> >>> That's the point.
> >>>
> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/6iliw4eou5o/m/0fV_yx55dWsJ>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Were you singing the same tune when Biden ignored the courts to find
> >>>>> a method to forgive student loans?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Only comment I've made on that subject was to fact-check chrisv a year
> >>>> ago: he incorrectly claim that lost interest went to taxpayers. It
> >>>> doesn't: it goes to the banks servicing the loans.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I don't care what anyone else says.
> >>> So you have criticized the democrats when they violate the rule of law?
> >>
> >> Yes, when a topic has come up to my attention to make a comment on.
> >
> > Ok.
> > So what's your opinion on the legality of student loan forgiveness?
> > How about special treatment for blacks ie: loans, reparations etc ?
> >
> >>
> >>>>> Anyway the main policies such as:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Remain in Mexico
> >>>>> 2. No catch and release in US.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As for legal challenges, remain in Mexico was ended by Biden, challenged in SCOTUS
> >>>>> who ruled in Biden's favor to end the policy however it was blocked by a federal judge
> >>>>> who ruled Biden did not have the authority to end the program.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Either way, it was working.
> >>>>
> >>>> Except that the Judiciary Branch said it wasn't legal.
> >>>
> >>> It is still being litigated.
> >>
> >> And the role of the Judiciary is being honored...right?
> >
> > At this point yes.
> > The program has not been restored yet.
> > That doesn't mean it's illegal though.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>>> Instead of churning numbers, which suck BTW, why not read what the states and border
> >>>>> patrol think of Joe Biden and his open border.
> >>>>
> >>>> Before Trump spoke up, CPB was in favor of the 2024 Bipartisan Bill.
> >>>
> >>> And then they actually learned what was in the bill.
> >>> End of story.
> >>>
> >>> Whether Trump used it as a political pawn or not doesn't matter as the bill was
> >>> a disaster.
> >>
> >> Yet you've still not been specified just how so in your allegations.
> >
> > Actually I have, several times in fact.
> >
> > <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kamala-harris-touts-2021-immigration-bill-as-border-fix-but-it-would-allow-millions-deported-under-trump-to-return/ar-AA1sYqEo>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>> And why did the democrats claim the border has been secure for 3.5 years?
> >>> You are arguing a point that you cannot win.
> >>
> >> Per cite I posted elsewhere today, Illegal crossings are down by 70%:
> >> the so-called "problem!" isn't as huge as you're trying to claim it is.
> >
> > Lol !
> > That's the same lame argument Harris/Biden tried when they say "inflation is down".
> > Sure it is.
> > However what was it when your administration took office?
> > Same thing for border crossings.
> > When did the massive numbers begin?
>
> I already told you .. why have you conveniently forgotten already?
>
> >>
> >>>>> It's a disaster that his administration, including Harris, created and are 100% responsible
> >>>>> for.
> >>>>
> >>>> Immigration has been a political football for longer than Biden has been
> >>>> alive. And only a dishonest partisan blames the Executive Branch when
> >>>> the Judicial Branch concludes that a policy is unconstitutional.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>
> >> And as noted elsewhere, ~87% of illegals were already in the US before
> >> Biden/Harris Amin: when will you retract your "100% responsible"?
> >
> >> -hh
> >
> > Why should I?
>
> Because it is wrong and you're an honorable person.
>
> > When did the massive numbers of crossings begin?
>
> For beginning, the cite I provided you before only goes back to 1980 for
> crossings (Reagan had a year with over 1.6M entries), but the metric
> you're really interested in is successful unauthorized entries. The
> values listed there go back to only 2000, where it was 2.1M. For 660K
> today vs 2.1M in a year, that means that there's been a 60% reduction.
>
>
> > When did the crime begin?
>
> Crime started a few decades after Eve gave birth to Cain, when he killed
> Able.
>
>
> > When did sanctuary cities begin complaining about migrants, the cost and so forth?
>
> Cities cried for money during CoVid because revenues crashed. Try
> looking at when the "but migrants cost our city money" part started
> versus when their CoVid aid ran out.
>
>
> > Under Trump?
> > Or
> > Under Biden?
>
> When did the CoVid assistance funds run out?
>
>
> > This current situation isn't even close in impact to the DACA dreamers situation.
>
> Where "impact" is alluding to quantity of peoples, not the principle?
>
> Besides, there's 3.6M DACA Dreamers, which is 1M more than the estimated
> successful unauthorized entries under Biden that you've claimed that
> you're so worried about, so you're right that the two isn't close in
> impact, because the group of DACAs is 40% larger.
>
>
> > They migrated, settled down, started businesses and for the most part stayed
> > out of trouble and became productive members of society.
>
> And yet they're still in legal limbo. Why?
>
>
> > It's nothing like we are experiencing now.
>
> No, it is exactly the crux of today's situation which prompts current
> illegals to stay underground, to have a lower chance of getting screwed.
>
> The Dreamers have been left dangling for 23 years and counting.
>
>
> This is a classical "you sow what you reap" in that trying to ask
> illegals to voluntarily register today has zero upside potential for
> them, because everyone knows how we've jerked around the Dreamers and
> have left them dangling for 23 years and counting.
>
> Pragmatically, the only way to break this cycle is by granting full
> citizenship to all of the DACA Dreamers immediately, and then put in
> place a new legal system which prevents any subsequent applicants from
> getting jerked around like the Dreamers were.
>
>
> -hh

The people won, you lost.