On 11/4/24 4:29 AM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems like it includes:
>>>
>>> Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.
>>
>> Meaning that (bullshit snipped)
>
> Meaning that you make shit up to attack. Most conservatives are
> smarter and more aware than what you have asserted.

Based on postings here, there's been zero evidence that 'smarter' ones
even exist. Case in point:

You bravely snipped above: "...you damn well know that there's been
screams of "Fuck your feelings" by the MAGAs....", to try to avoid
acknowledging what was said, because you know that it is true.

> We *must* reduce our dependance upon China. They are our enemy. If
> that reduces our standard of living, so be it.

Sure, but if you really do what you say, then why are you supporting the
US politician who gave China even more power & influence when he
withdrew the USA from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which had
been configured to limit China's growth in influence?

Likewise, how do you support a candidate who's calling to cancel the US
CHIPS Act? Because this Act's purpose is to regain US manufacturing
capacity in the semiconductor industry and improve national security by
countering the huge Chinese push for dominance in this industry.

>>> For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
>>> accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
>>> dependance upon our enemy, China.
>>
>> which has already resulting in multiple deaths of women.
>
> Sad if true, but far more lives were saved.

*IF*?

Amber Thurman, Georgia:
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amber-thurman-delayed-abortion-georgia/>

Josseli Barnica, Texas:
<https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/health/texas-miscarriage-death-propublica/index.html>

Neveah Crain, Texas:
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/teen-dies-abortion-ban-texas-neveah-crain>

"A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban
Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased
56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same
time period."

<https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631>

"Texas OB-GYNs urge lawmakers to change abortion laws after reports on
pregnant women's deaths"

<https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/03/texas-ob-gyn-letter-abortion-laws/>

And no, more lives weren't saved, because when the mother dies, the
fetus dies too. Every time.

>>> Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.
>>
>> ... just what is the actual problem with these immigrants?
>
> It's far too many, far too quickly. They are overwhelming our
> systems. They are completely unvetted for quality and ability to
> contribute.

Okay, but if that's really your position, then why are you supporting
the US politicians who are actively opposing fixing the backlog and
vetting problems by killing the bipartisan immigration bill?

FYI, if your defense is that it didn't go far enough, what's wrong with
taking a positive step in the desired direction? After all, "A journey
of 1000 miles starts with a single step" ...

Repeating something I asked RonB, just how long should the processing
take? Because TANSSAFL applies.

And FWIW, before one gets all hyped up about making sure that they're
only good quality folks who can contribute, where's the historical prior
precedent for this to be a standard? It certainly didn't exist for the
millions who came in through Ellis Island, plus as those small town
Haitians are demonstrating, they do good quite quickly. Ditto for the
upwards of 89% working in the Dairy industry as I'd previously cited.

>>> Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms"...
>>
>> Sounds like (idiocy snipped)
>
> Sounds like nothing of the kind.

Oh, you don't think I can bring receipts?

"...Sounds like someone doesn't remember what smog was like...

<https://ktla.com/news/california/the-difference-is-astonishing-graph-shows-how-much-better-california-smog-is-now/>

<https://www.californiasun.co/photos-when-l-a-smog-was-so-bad-people-suspected-a-gas-attack/>

<https://www.lung.org/blog/air-pollutions-top-10-health-risks>

"...or how Cleveland's river caught on fire.

<https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/63>

"...Nor do they know that solar/wind is creating more jobs than fossil
fuels..."

"According to the 2019 U.S. Energy & Employment Report, in 2018 there
were 2.4 million jobs in clean energy generation and energy efficiency,
compared to half that many in fossil energy production."

<https://citizensclimatelobby.org/blog/policy/how-clean-energy-creates-more-jobs/>
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cf80ec4eb7c5cd928c61/t/5c7f3708fa0d6036d7120d8f/1551849054549/USEER+2019+US+Energy+Employment+Report.pdf>

"...concern for the hollowing-out of the Middle Class is due to GOP
anti-Union initiatives (including "at will" employment)..."

<https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/right-to-work-vs-at-will>

"...plus tax cuts just for the rich, which has enabled vastly greater
wealth concentration in the top 1%, which means less for everyone else."

<https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wealth-distribution-in-america/>

Plus the 2017 TCJA expires in 14 months, which will increase personal
marginal income tax rates by 3-4% for MFJ incomes above ~$24K

<https://taxfoundation.org/blog/2026-tax-brackets-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-expires/>

>
>>> ... that
>>> won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds two
>>> coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving.
>>
>> But that is hand waving (straw man arguments and verbose diversion attempts snipped)
>
> No, it's a fact.

Oh, so its a "fact" that China's not building any solar/wind?

"China Building Twice as Much Wind and Solar as Rest of World Combined"

"China is building 180 gigawatts of large solar projects and 159
gigawatts of large wind projects, which together amount to nearly
two-thirds of the capacity coming online worldwide, according to an
analysis from Global Energy Monitor"

"Wind and solar already amount to more than a third of Chinese power
capacity, and they are expected to surpass coal capacity this year."

<https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-wind-solar-double-world>

Whoops!

> The amount of carbon being spewed is controlled by
> Southeast Asia.

You were complaining about China: don't try to dishonestly move the
goalposts now to "Southeast Asia".

What you're trying to invoke on is how China went on a coal power plant
building spree in the late 2010s, which was as a risk reduction measure
in case growths in nuclear+solar+wind didn't meet their domestic demand.
But what you're overlooking is that building it doesn't mean it gets
turned on and used:

"In May [2024], China saw its coal output hit a record low as renewable
generation surged, according to a new analysis from CarbonBrief."

<https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-wind-solar-double-world>

Likewise, and as I've already said (but you bravely snipped!), you're
trying to "ignore how coal thermal plants can be later converted". This
is because a thermal powerplant is a thermal powerplant, so the thermal
source can be swapped out...plus its also possible that the only part
that's considered valuable is just its grid connection infrastructure:

<https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/climate/coal-to-solar-minnesota/index.html>

FYI, see also Switzerland's co-generation using solar & hydro:

<https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/>

> This bullshit about electric cars that aren't even
> any better, for example, is ridiculous.
>
> Where are the solar panels coming from? China. Where are the wind
> turbines coming from? China? Where is the Lithium for batteries
> coming from? China.
>
> China is making sure that they have abundant energy, while we grow
> weak and dependant. When they decide to take Taiwan, we won't dare do
> anything about it. Then they'll own the chip supply, too.
>
> Have fun being subservient to the CCP, America!

Oh, so its a good thing then that Trump killed the TPP, increasing
China's dominance?

>>> Leftists calling normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted
>>> men in girls locker rooms is not hand waving.
>>
>> (idiocy snipped)
> > Trump is not relevant to the issue, ...

Incorrect, because you said "men", not boys. As such, you've exluded
those who you claim are the feelings of a few confused/sick.

> and the feelings of a few confused
> and/or sick does not override the feelings of everyone else.

No, for you're trying to take the lazy way out: the principles of
equality is that it is for all, not just the 98% that's easy.

> I'm not going to bicker, again, about all of the issues. Your
> assholery about the right having nothing but "hand waving" has been
> debunked. Your response to this post will be deleted, unread.

Oh look: it is chrisv falsely declaring victory again: just like what
we can expect Trump to do tomorrow, no matter the election outcome!

-hh