In article <vfbkif$28gib$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/23/24 7:56 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vfalgh$1lvf0$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 10/22/24 5:17 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vf926l$1itmh$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/22/24 10:15 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vf83ld$1f1j7$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/21/24 11:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a war.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To end a war.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 13 dead soldiers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So that makes it ok? You idiot.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Then shut up about it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because you don't care.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <crickets>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Incorrect; it has been addressed elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> No matter. We are right here.
> >>
> >> Elsewhere within this thread, as well as what followed below:
> >
> > Can't be aresed to read all that propaganda.
>
> YA "La, la, la ... I can't cope with facts which shake my worldview".

Huh? Are you drinking?
>
>
> >>>> You've screamed "FAIL" without identifying any of the pre-operation
> >>> loss
> >>>> parameters that they supposedly failed to meet. You've tried to imply
> >>>> that the pre-Op plan was for zero casualties, but you've not cited any
> >>>> documents which substantiate that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Given how many troops die each year in non-combat, including during
> >>>> training operations, we know that the operational plan couldn't have
> >>>> been planning for zero losses.
> >>>>
> >>>> Case in point:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Across the Department of Defense, from 2006 to 2020, 5,605 service
> >>>> members were killed in training accidents. This represents 32% of all
> >>>> reported active-duty military deaths for that time period and is double
> >>>> the percentage of troops killed in action."
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/articles/how-many-troops-are-dying-in-training-accidents-and-why>
> >>>>
> >>>> FYI, that's an average of 374 training deaths/year.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, and that 4,231 deaths listed as "self-inflicted", those are
> >>>> essentially suicides: 282 per year, which is 5+ per week.
> >>>
> >>> Blah blah, Joe fucked up.
> >>
> >>
> >> So you're blowing off those who lost their lives in the Service while
> >> outside of direct combat operations ... how myopic & petty of you.
> >
> > Joe blew them off.
> >>
> >> The reality is that all levels of service have hazards where one's life
> >> is potentially on the line, because one needs to train as how one fights
> >> in order to be the most effective. A EA-18 Growler crew died last week
> >> and here you're a turd going "blah blah" belittling their Service.
> >
> > I didn't belittle anything except Joe.
>
>
> Untrue.

Nope. It's true.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> BUTWHATABOUT
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Because I'm showing how you're so selectively pearl-clutching.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I bet you wish you even knew what that meant.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It means you're hamming it up as a drama queen.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is that what it means? What shithole do you live in?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <crickets>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry, I missed reading that particular line. Are you trying to imply
> >>>> that I don't know contemporary English because I live in some backwater
> >>>> someplace? If so, lead by example by telling us what allegedly
> >>>> non-shithole county you live in yourself, and just how that's relevant
> >>>> to knowledge of the English language in the USA. Good luck.
> >>>
> >>> So you do live in a shithole.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nope, I just pushed you to lead by example and you chose to bail & fail.
> >
> > No bail. I'm a liberal.
>
> Liberal...what?
> By what you've been saying, its as a bullshitter & liar.

Bail
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And it happened while upholding what Trump had obligated the USA to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> under the February 2020 Doha Accord.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit Joe fucked up. Even the "generals" said so.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Why the scare quotes around "generals"? Are these some of Trump's very
> >>>>>>>>>> fake "But Sir!" (he said with a tear in his eye), or do you have actual
> >>>>>>>>>> citations with names, dates, and quotes?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Plus when did these leaders first oppose? Back at the Doha Accord?
> >>>>>>>>>> Because Doha was when the final ball was committed & put in motion.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I wasn't there.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, so you now can't actually produce any of these "generals". Check!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well they don't live here.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, looks like I overlooked your weak deflection attempt here.
> >>>
> >>> They don't.
> >>
> >> They don't...what?
> >
> > Live here. Try to keep up.
>
> And just where is "here", Ivan? North Elbonia?

50 miles east.
>
> Because you've whined about how you can't afford anything anymore, it
> certainly isn't in any of these districts:

I didn't say that.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States>
>
>
> >> Do you mean that the people you're referring to aren't even American
> >> generals? Name them. And from a relevance standpoint, explain why you
> >> think they matter more to us than our own current American generals.
> >>
> > Did I say they weren't American? No you did.
>
> Incorrect, for I didn't constrain the which generals: I noted that
> those who aren't American probably don't have relevance, so you'd better
> also include relevance if your generals aren't American ones.

It's top secret for eyes only.
>
>
>
> >>
> >>>> Bottom line remains that you can't/won't actually name who this
> >>>> supposedly authoritative "generals" actually were. Shocking! /s
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Do you know their names? Why should I?
> >>
> >> Because it was your unsubstantiated claim to support with facts.
> >
> > Is that a rule?
>
> It is longstanding USENET posting etiquette, rookie.

Etiquette left usent in the 90s. Look around. Usenet is dying.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This hh assclown is a massive idiot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Congress never declared war during Vietnam.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nor did Congress declare war for Korea. Yet you keep on trying to use
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "not a war" pedantry to overlook Trump's military engagements.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What wars did he start?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What wars did Biden start?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I never said he started any.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then why did you ask what wars Trump started?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's called a question dummy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hypocritical double-standard much?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No, a question.
> >>>
> >>> <crickets>
> >>
> >> A 'question' whose sole purpose was your attempt to defect.
> >
> > So you can't answer. Ok then.
>
> Incorrect, which is why you've now tried to move the goalposts to
> failing to stop wars everywhere in the world.

I can't move goalposts by myself. To heavy.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which includes 65 soldiers who died in Afghanistan during Trump.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Not a war.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Then by your own standard, Biden's 13 losses during the final evacuation
> >>>>>>>>>> don't count either.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> They are dead because of his fuck up. I know you don't care. Like
> >>>>>>>>> Hillary said about the troops that died at Benghazi. "at this point what
> >>>>>>>>> difference does it make?"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On the contrary: while you've been alluding to them being suckers and
> >>>>>>>> losers (TM), I've cared enough to put their sacrifice into mission
> >>>>>>>> context of how many civilians were successfully rescued. Don't you
> >>>>>>>> remember how I've posted a challenge to all comers to go identify any
> >>>>>>>> equivalent military evacuation under fire to have had a better
> >>>>>>>> (casualty:rescue) ratio? Or is this another case of your selective
> >>>>>>>> senility again?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What a load. People died because Joe fucked up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you think its BS, stop dodging and just simply prove me wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Show us what other military evacuation under fire had a better ratio of
> >>>>>> rescues vs losses: Afghanistan had 122,000 rescued for 13 losses, which
> >>>>>> is a ratio of 9,385 saved for each loss. List all of those operations
> >>>>>> which have been so vastly better executed that this one was a 'fuck up'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joe fucked up. This is settled.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your saying so doesn't settle diddly squat. Cry harder, "Joe".
> >>>
> >>> It does. This is not debatable.
> >>
> >> Only in your dreams. Reality demands better.
> >
> > That leaves you out.
>
> So prove me wrong by showing everyone just what other military
> evacuation under fire had a better ratio of rescues vs losses.

Who cares? They died because of Joe.
>
>
> >>>>>> FYI, from the COLA archives:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "...if one wants to callously compare the two in terms of the
> >>>>>> ratio of successfully evacuated -vs- US lives lost, there were 4 deaths
> >>>>>> in the Saigon airlift to save 7,000 people, so Vietnam's metric was
> >>>>>> 1750:1. In contrast, Afghanistan was 13 for 122,000 which is 9400:1 ...
> >>>>>> 5x better."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No one cares.
> >>>>
> >>>> You care, which is why you keep on bleating that line, despite how
> >>>> you've been unable to actually prove your claim with operationally
> >>>> relevant comparative performance information.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Joe fucked up, that's all I need to know.
> >>
> >> Only in your rabid dreams. Reality demands better.
> >
> > Joe fucked up and now he's been booted.

<crickets>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/gqTggM-UC_M/m/4Y9ynM54GQAJ>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yeah, this challenge has been out there for losers to try to debunk
> >>>>>> since September 1, 2021 ... and not one blathermouth has succeeded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joe fucked up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever you say ... "Joe".
> >>>
> >>> See? You agree.
> >>
> >> "C'mon grandpa, its time for you to go back to bed."
> >
> > Cute.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do they call it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These libbys are fools.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> As opposed to you two being hypocrite.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No wars caused by Trump.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So? What wars did Biden cause? Also zero, right?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I never said he did. But he sure allowed them to happen.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes, Trump did certainly permit a lot of bad shit, including the ongoing
> >>>>>>>> Mideast mess which centers around Iran's surrogates, which is on Trump
> >>>>>>>> for pulling out of that nuclear deal.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BUTWHATABOUT TRUMP!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> None.
> >>>>
> >>>> Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired.
> >>>
> >>> Trump didn't start any wars. What is so hard to figure out.
> >>
> >> What's so hard to figure out that Biden didn't start any wars either, so
> >> your claim has zero contrast to be relevant?
> >
> > He allowed them to start.
>
> And just which wars were these?

All of them.
>
> Be specific, because if you're trying to refer to Israel/Hamas, that's a
> false claim because that conflict has been ongoing for decades.

Not like now.
>
>
> So here's a list for you to show us specifically which wars originally
> started during Trump & Biden, so that you can point to these "new" ones
> which are still ongoing which in your opinion Biden should have intervened:
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars:_2003?present#2020?2024>

I wont bother. Not worth the trouble trying to knock sense into a
liberal.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> For you're also being deliberately blind to how Trump failed to deliver
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on his campaign promise to exit Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Joe fucked that up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How could Biden have "fucked up" Trump's campaign promise to be out of
> >>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan by the end of Trump's term? Be specific.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why did Biden spend his first day signing off all Trumps EOs? He could
> >>>>>>>>> have changed that too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why did Trump spend his first weeks signing off on EOs that undid
> >>>>>>>> Obama's works? FYI, one of these eliminated an SEC based fiduciary
> >>>>>>>> responsibility on your Investment Broker when he gives you advice.
> >>>>>>>> This could be why you've been whining about not being as well off today.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and he runs from the question and a BUTWHATABOUT
> >>>>>> "No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> None.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired.
> >>>
> >>> I made you repeat yourself.
> >>
> >> You bitched that I didn't reply to every time you repeated yourself, and
> >> now you're bitching if I don't.
> >
> > Cry a river.
> >>
> >> Meantime, you're simply repeating empty, unsubstantiated claims: if
> >> your claims had means of material substantiation, you easily could have
> >> done so, instead of dodging.
> >>
> > You really are new to this huh?
> >>>>>> Plus we know that Trump cancelled a bunch of Obama's stuff, so you've
> >>>>>> failed to show how Biden was in any way meaningfully different.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why didn't he change the withdrawal then?
> >>>
> >>> <crickets>
> >>
> >> Because you apparently didn't know that that it was moved back, from May
> >> to August, despite that action having a higher risk of escalation ..
> >> which is precisely what happened.
> >>
> >
> > Joe fucked up.
> >
> >> But this still doesn't address the point that Skeeter is trying to avoid
> >> in the below, which was that Trump orders for a Dec 2020 pullout, but
> >> Trump then reversed that order. Care to come up with a better
> >> explanation for why?
> >
> > Why Joe fucked up? Ask him.
>
>
> I've read the AAR. Have you?

No need. It was obvious.
>
> Meantime, why did Trump keep on changing the rules for the processing of
> Afghan Special Immigrant Visas? FYI, that was ruled to have been
> illegal ... back in 2019:

Tell me about that ISIS dude in Oklahoma that was supposedly vetted by
our FBI.
>
> <https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/trump-admin-broke-law-visa-delays-afghans-iraqis-who-worked-n1057846>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Also note that Trump had issued orders to the Pentagon to be out by
> >>>>>>>>>> December 2020, but then rescinded that order. Why didn't he keep his
> >>>>>>>>>> campaign promise? Perhaps because he thinks his legacy would have been
> >>>>>>>>>> one of someone who "runs away"? Or because since there hadn't been
> >>>>>>>>>> adequate planning done, military losses then would've been even worse?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cry a river. What does that have to do with now?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It illustrates how Trump could have met his campaign promise but
> >>>>>>>> chickened out. Trump is terrified to be ever be seen as weak, which is
> >>>>>>>> why he's easily manipulated by that personality flaw.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He is speaking somewhere everyday. Twice today. Sorry but you have
> >>>>>>> nothing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> His speech: "You want fries with that?" /s
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> You ignore the fact that he is somewhere everyday drawing crowds. Why do
> >>>>> you ignore that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Already did address it: Trump's team has reportedly been paying for
> >>>> people to attend rallies, but they get up and leave as soon as their
> >>>> Venmo accounts arrive. Perhaps that's why this past week Elon Musk has
> >>>> added a $1M per day 'random' petition signers lottery prize.
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit. I watch them all. You are telling a lie.
> >>
> >>
> >> If true, then how many $1M checks has Elon handed out so far?
> >> 1? 2? 3? 4? 5?
> >
> > I don't know. Not my circus.
>
> So when you claimed that you've watched them all, are you lying or are
> you so senile that you've already forgotten what happened this week?

What happened? He was somewhere everyday, Sometimes twice a day. He
danced and he cooked fries. So what?
>
>
> >> If you "watch them all", then you must have seen videos like this one:
> >>
> >> <https://apnews.com/video/elon-musk-constitutions-donald-trump-donald-trump-es-pennsylvania-9b9df1e63b504028b1c03d99846736ea>
> >
> > Edited videos?
>
> Doesn't change what was shown in the clip.

So, did you know Kamala told Christians they were at the wrong rally?
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And blind to how there were thousands of Trump-freed Taliban military
> >>>>>>>>>>>> which contributed to the very deaths you're claiming to be so upset about.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> But allowing crooks to cross the border and rape and kill is ok?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Oh, look: its yet another attempt to run & change the subject!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nope, you just want to avoid it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Except for how I then confronted it head on, still quoted below:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Fun fact:
> >>>>>>>>>> most crooks smuggling fentanyl across the border are US citizens.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yea right.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Need cite? Here ya go, luzer:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and? I'm supposed to believe that? Besides no matter what color they are
> >>>>>>>>> they are still crossing illegally.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of course *you* don't believe anything that goes against your beliefs.
> >>>>>>>> But facts don't give a damn if your feelings get hurt, snowflake.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not a liberal you non original halfwit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yet you've still been triggered: that's what makes you a snowflake.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Laughing at your bull isn't triggered. Stop lying.
> >>>>
> >>>> Still doesn't change the fact that many border crossers are requesting
> >>>> asylum which makes them a legal immigrant, and this has been the law in
> >>>> the USA for the past 40+ years.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No, you pass at a legal crossing point.
> >>
> >> Show us where in the law that's actually a legal requirement.
> >>
> >> Here's the text of the Statute - just point out that specific line:
> >>
> >> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>
> >
> > I used to live on the border and those are the rules....
>
> Yet you still can't prove that it is a requirement in the law, by
> quoting the specific line in the Statute. Goalpost move inbound!

You cross anywhere besides a legal point you are trespassing. How many
have you taken in?
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Much of our border dilemma is due to decades of systemic under-funding
> >>>>>>>>>> of the Judicial department who's responsible to process refugee claims,
> >>>>>>>>>> primarily since the Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212), which
> >>>>>>>>>> amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bull shit. Follow the fucking law.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This *is* following the law. Get a clue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I explained. You choose to ignore.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> LOL, your "explanation" was merely a partisan claim.
> >>>>
> >>>> Go look it up yourself to see that it is the truth. I've already
> >>>> provided the Wiki page to Public Law 96-212 ... and here it is again:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
> >>>>
> >>>> And here's the link to the original law:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Translation: You're right so will post this crap in response.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course I'm correct.
> >>>
> >>> Nope. Nice spin.
> >>
> >> It ain't spin to note that you've not provided any objective facts which
> >> have debunked points that I've claimed in this thread.
> >
> > You amuse me.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>> I "ignored" it by showing you that the arrest data shows that the
> >>>>>> fentanyl smuggling problem at the US-Mexico border is being primarily
> >>>>>> perpetrated by US Citizens.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's bullshit. Deal with it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Translation: "La la la, I can't deal with reality!". /s
> >>>
> >>> I made you copy me.
> >>
> >> YA evasion attempt.
> >
> > You copied me.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, the facts still remain clear:
> >>
> >> "Overall, the dataset reveals that out of 9,473 individuals associated
> >> with a fentanyl seizure, 7,598 were US citizens (80.2 percent). Source:
> >> Customs and Border Protection, Freedom of Information Act request
> >> CBP-FO-2023-005880, 2024."
> >>
> >> <https://www.cato.org/blog/us-citizens-were-802-crossers-fentanyl-ports-entry-2019-2024>
> >>
> >> And if you don't like that reporting source, the information you need to
> >> independently confirm it for yourself is listed above: just submit a
> >> FOIA request to ask for a copy of what their FOIA request had received:
> >> its ID# is CBP-FO-2023-005880, 2024.
> >>
> >> Thus, you don't need to believe me, or CATO, but can see it for yourself
> >> that it isn't reality, but your belief which is bullshit.
> >
> > I know what I know and that's good enough.
>
>
> Even though whatever you 'know' is false in reality.

Nope, just because you say so?
>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Cross at legal crossing points and
> >>>>>>>>> get vetted. If you try to cross anywhere else you are breaking the law
> >>>>>>>>> and go to jail or get sent back. That worked for a long time.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Need cite? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This systemic under-funding has resulted in a years-long case backlog,
> >>>>>>>>>> and even though the Judicial approval rate of refugee cases is under 5%,
> >>>>>>>>>> they're legally allowed to reside in the USA until their case is heard.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps the reason why this situation has been allowed to continue is
> >>>>>>>>>> because its good for business: they can hire those peoples cheaply
> >>>>>>>>>> (they're 7.65% cheaper than US Citizens at the same hourly rate), plus
> >>>>>>>>>> most (~95%) of the time, the businesses know that they don't really have
> >>>>>>>>>> to worry about having to provide raises or pay longer term benefits.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...and of course Skeeter can't bring himself up to comment on the plain
> >>>>>>>> truths mentioned above, particularly in light of how he knows that Trump
> >>>>>>>> directed Johnson to kill the immigration reform bill earlier this year.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It was a bill full of pork. Stupid spending.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pork? List them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> More money going to other countries is not a border bill.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> List them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Second request, dodger
> >>>
> >>> You know it. You want to ignore it.
> >>
> >>
> >> We all see that you can't substantiate your claim. And you know it.
> >
> > Cute.
>
> Nevertheless, still not an ounce of alleged pork produced.

More money for other countries than for the border.
>
>
> >>>>>> From a fiscal standpoint, "stupid spending" was forgiving fraudulent
> >>>>>> PPP loans in Oct 2020, instead of prosecuting those criminals.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Likewise, the 2017 TCJA added $2T to the national deficit, and because
> >>>>>> actual revenues are still lower than the original 2017 CBO baseline
> >>>>>> ($28,490B vs $29,170B) it not only didn't deliver its "trickle down"
> >>>>>> promises, but actually harmed the US economy. Data's from here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://taxfoundation.org/blog/2017-tax-law-revenue/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course, none of this diversion attempt from Skeeter touches the main
> >>>>>> point made, which is that many of the immigrants aren't illegal in the
> >>>>>> first place, but are in limbo for 3-5 years awaiting their court date,
> >>>>>> and during that wait, US businesses exploit them as a cheap labor pool.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am talking about the ones who enter other than a legal entry point.
> >>>>> Remember that numbskull?
> >>>>
> >>>> So? Show us where in the law that's actually a legal requirement.
> >>>> Here's the text ... point out the specific line:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>
> >>>
> >>> So allow 1000s across with no vetting? Great, you support the gangs and
> >>> raping and killing.
> >>
> >> Gosh, if only there was legislation put forward this year to provide
> >> more resources for timely vetting ... but Skeeter says that it shouldn't
> >> be funded, because it was laden with pork that no one can find.
> >
> > True. It was. Just follow the law. Something liberals avoid.
>
> The law says that all who request refugee/asylum have to be let in.

At a legal checkpoint.
>
> The law says that they can't be kicked out until they've had their claim
> vetted and had their day in court.

Which takes years. They never show up.
>
> Do you even know what percentage of arrivals aren't actually "illegal"
> because of this legal requirement?

A lot.
>
> Or do you not know because you don't care, because you don't want to
> actually follow longstanding US Law?

I don't want just anyone to enter. Do you support the gangs and raping
and killing?
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But yeah sure, the next time you see a Vet, you'll say your performative
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Thank you for your service" to make you - not them - feel better:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Active Duty knows that it is bullshit, because you don't really support
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the troops, as evidenced by your support of political candidates who
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stole DoD housing funds to build a wall, and who try to strip services &
> >>>>>>>>>>>> funding from the VA.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> You never served so shut the fuck up.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Unlike you, I've sworn the Oath to uphold & defend the US Constitution.
> >>>>>>>>>> I know that that Oath is a lifetime commitment and live so accordingly.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yea whatever.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gosh, what a gracious apology that was from you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It was more like a middle finger. I dont believe you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh, we all know that you're just trying to be rude...and failing even at
> >>>>>> that: you're simply reinforcing what we already knew, which is that
> >>>>>> your "thank you for your service" is performative bullshit, as you turn
> >>>>>> on anyone who you just worshiped if they say things you don't like.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> TINW
> >>>>
> >>>> ...and?
> >>>
> >>> You're alone.
> >>
> >> Doesn't matter to me: I oppose evil no matter how much I'm outnumbered.
> >
> > Yet you support the current admin?
>
> Depends on the policy in question, doesn't it?

No, you worship them.
>
>
> >>>>>>>> Now you might be starting to have a clue as to why Active Duty turned
> >>>>>>>> away from supporting the GOP back in 2020, and there's not a chance in
> >>>>>>>> hell that they're going to go back now in 2024. Case in point:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Trump?s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll ? and more
> >>>>>>>> troops say they?ll vote for Biden"
> >>>>>>>> - 31 AUG 2020
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> cite:
> >>>>>>>> <https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FYI, the poll they also listed showed Biden +3.9 points over Trump.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> All something that means nothing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It shows that the GOP has lost support from their traditional military
> >>>>>> members base. And your deflection attempt illustrates your desperation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Nope. They support him liar.
> >>>>
> >>>> Claim not substantiated
> >>>
> >>> No need. It's the truth.
> >>
> >> Yet you can't show it to others.
> >
> > I don't need to.
>
> Its because you can't, not because you won't.

I don't have to.
>
>
> >>
> >> In the meantime...
> >>
> >> <https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/>
> >
> > I sure am making you work hard.
>
> Nah.

This is your life huh?
>
> >>>>>>> So why were they booing her at he rally?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gosh, what another vague allusion without any substantiation.
> >>>>>> How convenient for you!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I watched it idiot. They were booing her.
> >>>>
> >>>> Still yet another vague allusion without substantiation:
> >>>> Which alleged rally when? What context? What timestamp? etc.
> >>>
> >>> It was a rally the other day moron. She also pissed off some people when
> >>> someone yelled "Jesus is Lord" and she said "you're at the wrong rally"
> >>>>
> >>>> Because they were probably booing when she mentioned Trump, or the
> >>>> mascara-laden gender-affirmed Boy Wonder.
> >>>
> >>> HAHAHAHA Trump is all she talks about.
> >
> > <crickets>
> >>>>
> >>>> Without a cite from Youtube/etc, you got nothing credible. Again.
> >>>
> >>> I do. Deal with it. I saw it.
> >>
> >> "Mooom! Grandpa is repeating himself ... again!"
> >
> > I saw it. You didn't.
>
> Except for how you now can't remember it, despite prompting with videos.

Nothing wrong in any of his speeches.
>
>
> >>
> >> Meantime, these aren't the generals that you are looking for:
> >>
> >> ?VoteVets has a unique authenticity. It has built the clout of veteran
> >> voices and challenges the fiction that most or all of the military votes
> >> red. In fact, progressive and Democratic veterans are passionate and
> >> highly persuasive?rare but powerful qualities in campaigns against
> >> Republicans.?
> >>
> >> US NAVY ADM. (RET) MIKE MATHIS
> >>
> >> <https://votevets.org/about>
> >>
> >> <https://votevets.org/candidates>
> >> <https://votevets.org/candidates/kamala-harris>
> >>
> >>
> > TRUMP 2024
>
> No, the above citation shows that American military veterans are
> supporting Harris in 2024, not Trump.

Nope. Not the ones I know.
>
>
> -hh