In article <vfalgh$1lvf0$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/22/24 5:17 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vf926l$1itmh$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 10/22/24 10:15 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vf83ld$1f1j7$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/21/24 11:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not a war.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To end a war.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 13 dead soldiers.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So that makes it ok? You idiot.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Nope.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Then shut up about it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because you don't care.
> >>>
> >>> <crickets>
> >>
> >>
> >> Incorrect; it has been addressed elsewhere.
> >
> > No matter. We are right here.
>
> Elsewhere within this thread, as well as what followed below:

Can't be aresed to read all that propaganda.
>
>
> >> You've screamed "FAIL" without identifying any of the pre-operation
> > loss
> >> parameters that they supposedly failed to meet. You've tried to imply
> >> that the pre-Op plan was for zero casualties, but you've not cited any
> >> documents which substantiate that.
> >>
> >> Given how many troops die each year in non-combat, including during
> >> training operations, we know that the operational plan couldn't have
> >> been planning for zero losses.
> >>
> >> Case in point:
> >>
> >> "Across the Department of Defense, from 2006 to 2020, 5,605 service
> >> members were killed in training accidents. This represents 32% of all
> >> reported active-duty military deaths for that time period and is double
> >> the percentage of troops killed in action."
> >>
> >> <https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/articles/how-many-troops-are-dying-in-training-accidents-and-why>
> >>
> >> FYI, that's an average of 374 training deaths/year.
> >>
> >> Oh, and that 4,231 deaths listed as "self-inflicted", those are
> >> essentially suicides: 282 per year, which is 5+ per week.
> >
> > Blah blah, Joe fucked up.
>
>
> So you're blowing off those who lost their lives in the Service while
> outside of direct combat operations ... how myopic & petty of you.

Joe blew them off.
>
> The reality is that all levels of service have hazards where one's life
> is potentially on the line, because one needs to train as how one fights
> in order to be the most effective. A EA-18 Growler crew died last week
> and here you're a turd going "blah blah" belittling their Service.

I didn't belittle anything except Joe.
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>> BUTWHATABOUT
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Because I'm showing how you're so selectively pearl-clutching.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I bet you wish you even knew what that meant.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It means you're hamming it up as a drama queen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is that what it means? What shithole do you live in?
> >>>
> >>> <crickets>
> >>
> >> Sorry, I missed reading that particular line. Are you trying to imply
> >> that I don't know contemporary English because I live in some backwater
> >> someplace? If so, lead by example by telling us what allegedly
> >> non-shithole county you live in yourself, and just how that's relevant
> >> to knowledge of the English language in the USA. Good luck.
> >
> > So you do live in a shithole.
>
>
> Nope, I just pushed you to lead by example and you chose to bail & fail.

No bail. I'm a liberal.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> And it happened while upholding what Trump had obligated the USA to do
> >>>>>>>>>> under the February 2020 Doha Accord.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bullshit Joe fucked up. Even the "generals" said so.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why the scare quotes around "generals"? Are these some of Trump's very
> >>>>>>>> fake "But Sir!" (he said with a tear in his eye), or do you have actual
> >>>>>>>> citations with names, dates, and quotes?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Plus when did these leaders first oppose? Back at the Doha Accord?
> >>>>>>>> Because Doha was when the final ball was committed & put in motion.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wasn't there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh, so you now can't actually produce any of these "generals". Check!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well they don't live here.
> >>
> >> Oh, looks like I overlooked your weak deflection attempt here.
> >
> > They don't.
>
> They don't...what?

Live here. Try to keep up.
>
> Do you mean that the people you're referring to aren't even American
> generals? Name them. And from a relevance standpoint, explain why you
> think they matter more to us than our own current American generals.
>
Did I say they weren't American? No you did.
>
> >> Bottom line remains that you can't/won't actually name who this
> >> supposedly authoritative "generals" actually were. Shocking! /s
> >
> >
> > Do you know their names? Why should I?
>
> Because it was your unsubstantiated claim to support with facts.

Is that a rule?
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep.
> >>>>>>>>>>> This hh assclown is a massive idiot.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Congress never declared war during Vietnam.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nor did Congress declare war for Korea. Yet you keep on trying to use
> >>>>>>>>>> "not a war" pedantry to overlook Trump's military engagements.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What wars did he start?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> What wars did Biden start?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I never said he started any.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then why did you ask what wars Trump started?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's called a question dummy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hypocritical double-standard much?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> No, a question.
> >
> > <crickets>
>
> A 'question' whose sole purpose was your attempt to defect.

So you can't answer. Ok then.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Which includes 65 soldiers who died in Afghanistan during Trump.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Not a war.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Then by your own standard, Biden's 13 losses during the final evacuation
> >>>>>>>> don't count either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They are dead because of his fuck up. I know you don't care. Like
> >>>>>>> Hillary said about the troops that died at Benghazi. "at this point what
> >>>>>>> difference does it make?"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On the contrary: while you've been alluding to them being suckers and
> >>>>>> losers (TM), I've cared enough to put their sacrifice into mission
> >>>>>> context of how many civilians were successfully rescued. Don't you
> >>>>>> remember how I've posted a challenge to all comers to go identify any
> >>>>>> equivalent military evacuation under fire to have had a better
> >>>>>> (casualty:rescue) ratio? Or is this another case of your selective
> >>>>>> senility again?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What a load. People died because Joe fucked up.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you think its BS, stop dodging and just simply prove me wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>> Show us what other military evacuation under fire had a better ratio of
> >>>> rescues vs losses: Afghanistan had 122,000 rescued for 13 losses, which
> >>>> is a ratio of 9,385 saved for each loss. List all of those operations
> >>>> which have been so vastly better executed that this one was a 'fuck up'.
> >>>
> >>> Joe fucked up. This is settled.
> >>
> >> Your saying so doesn't settle diddly squat. Cry harder, "Joe".
> >
> > It does. This is not debatable.
>
> Only in your dreams. Reality demands better.

That leaves you out.
>
>
> >>>> FYI, from the COLA archives:
> >>>>
> >>>> "...if one wants to callously compare the two in terms of the
> >>>> ratio of successfully evacuated -vs- US lives lost, there were 4 deaths
> >>>> in the Saigon airlift to save 7,000 people, so Vietnam's metric was
> >>>> 1750:1. In contrast, Afghanistan was 13 for 122,000 which is 9400:1 ...
> >>>> 5x better."
> >>>
> >>> No one cares.
> >>
> >> You care, which is why you keep on bleating that line, despite how
> >> you've been unable to actually prove your claim with operationally
> >> relevant comparative performance information.
> >>
> >
> > Joe fucked up, that's all I need to know.
>
> Only in your rabid dreams. Reality demands better.

Joe fucked up and now he's been booted.
>
>
> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/gqTggM-UC_M/m/4Y9ynM54GQAJ>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, this challenge has been out there for losers to try to debunk
> >>>> since September 1, 2021 ... and not one blathermouth has succeeded.
> >>>
> >>> Joe fucked up.
> >>
> >> Whatever you say ... "Joe".
> >
> > See? You agree.
>
> "C'mon grandpa, its time for you to go back to bed."

Cute.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> What do they call it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> These libbys are fools.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> As opposed to you two being hypocrite.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No wars caused by Trump.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So? What wars did Biden cause? Also zero, right?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I never said he did. But he sure allowed them to happen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, Trump did certainly permit a lot of bad shit, including the ongoing
> >>>>>> Mideast mess which centers around Iran's surrogates, which is on Trump
> >>>>>> for pulling out of that nuclear deal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BUTWHATABOUT TRUMP!
> >>>>
> >>>> "No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons.
> >>>
> >>> None.
> >>
> >> Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired.
> >
> > Trump didn't start any wars. What is so hard to figure out.
>
> What's so hard to figure out that Biden didn't start any wars either, so
> your claim has zero contrast to be relevant?

He allowed them to start.
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> For you're also being deliberately blind to how Trump failed to deliver
> >>>>>>>>>> on his campaign promise to exit Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Joe fucked that up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How could Biden have "fucked up" Trump's campaign promise to be out of
> >>>>>>>> Afghanistan by the end of Trump's term? Be specific.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why did Biden spend his first day signing off all Trumps EOs? He could
> >>>>>>> have changed that too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why did Trump spend his first weeks signing off on EOs that undid
> >>>>>> Obama's works? FYI, one of these eliminated an SEC based fiduciary
> >>>>>> responsibility on your Investment Broker when he gives you advice.
> >>>>>> This could be why you've been whining about not being as well off today.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and he runs from the question and a BUTWHATABOUT
> >>>> "No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons.
> >>>
> >>> None.
> >>
> >>
> >> Confession by "Joe Skeeter" that his attack attempt has backfired.
> >
> > I made you repeat yourself.
>
> You bitched that I didn't reply to every time you repeated yourself, and
> now you're bitching if I don't.

Cry a river.
>
> Meantime, you're simply repeating empty, unsubstantiated claims: if
> your claims had means of material substantiation, you easily could have
> done so, instead of dodging.
>
You really are new to this huh?
> >>>> Plus we know that Trump cancelled a bunch of Obama's stuff, so you've
> >>>> failed to show how Biden was in any way meaningfully different.
> >>>
> >>> Why didn't he change the withdrawal then?
> >
> > <crickets>
>
> Because you apparently didn't know that that it was moved back, from May
> to August, despite that action having a higher risk of escalation ..
> which is precisely what happened.
>

Joe fucked up.

> But this still doesn't address the point that Skeeter is trying to avoid
> in the below, which was that Trump orders for a Dec 2020 pullout, but
> Trump then reversed that order. Care to come up with a better
> explanation for why?

Why Joe fucked up? Ask him.
>
>
> >>>>>>>> Also note that Trump had issued orders to the Pentagon to be out by
> >>>>>>>> December 2020, but then rescinded that order. Why didn't he keep his
> >>>>>>>> campaign promise? Perhaps because he thinks his legacy would have been
> >>>>>>>> one of someone who "runs away"? Or because since there hadn't been
> >>>>>>>> adequate planning done, military losses then would've been even worse?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cry a river. What does that have to do with now?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It illustrates how Trump could have met his campaign promise but
> >>>>>> chickened out. Trump is terrified to be ever be seen as weak, which is
> >>>>>> why he's easily manipulated by that personality flaw.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He is speaking somewhere everyday. Twice today. Sorry but you have
> >>>>> nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> His speech: "You want fries with that?" /s
> >>>>
> >>> You ignore the fact that he is somewhere everyday drawing crowds. Why do
> >>> you ignore that?
> >>
> >>
> >> Already did address it: Trump's team has reportedly been paying for
> >> people to attend rallies, but they get up and leave as soon as their
> >> Venmo accounts arrive. Perhaps that's why this past week Elon Musk has
> >> added a $1M per day 'random' petition signers lottery prize.
> >
> > Bullshit. I watch them all. You are telling a lie.
>
>
> If true, then how many $1M checks has Elon handed out so far?
> 1? 2? 3? 4? 5?

I don't know. Not my circus.
>
> If you "watch them all", then you must have seen videos like this one:
>
> <https://apnews.com/video/elon-musk-constitutions-donald-trump-donald-trump-es-pennsylvania-9b9df1e63b504028b1c03d99846736ea>

Edited videos?
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> And blind to how there were thousands of Trump-freed Taliban military
> >>>>>>>>>> which contributed to the very deaths you're claiming to be so upset about.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But allowing crooks to cross the border and rape and kill is ok?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh, look: its yet another attempt to run & change the subject!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nope, you just want to avoid it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Except for how I then confronted it head on, still quoted below:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Fun fact:
> >>>>>>>> most crooks smuggling fentanyl across the border are US citizens.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yea right.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Need cite? Here ya go, luzer:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and? I'm supposed to believe that? Besides no matter what color they are
> >>>>>>> they are still crossing illegally.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course *you* don't believe anything that goes against your beliefs.
> >>>>>> But facts don't give a damn if your feelings get hurt, snowflake.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm not a liberal you non original halfwit.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yet you've still been triggered: that's what makes you a snowflake.
> >>>
> >>> Laughing at your bull isn't triggered. Stop lying.
> >>
> >> Still doesn't change the fact that many border crossers are requesting
> >> asylum which makes them a legal immigrant, and this has been the law in
> >> the USA for the past 40+ years.
> >
> >
> > No, you pass at a legal crossing point.
>
> Show us where in the law that's actually a legal requirement.
>
> Here's the text of the Statute - just point out that specific line:
>
> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>

I used to live on the border and those are the rules. How many have you
taken in?
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>> Much of our border dilemma is due to decades of systemic under-funding
> >>>>>>>> of the Judicial department who's responsible to process refugee claims,
> >>>>>>>> primarily since the Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212), which
> >>>>>>>> amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bull shit. Follow the fucking law.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This *is* following the law. Get a clue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I explained. You choose to ignore.
> >>>>
> >>>> LOL, your "explanation" was merely a partisan claim.
> >>
> >> Go look it up yourself to see that it is the truth. I've already
> >> provided the Wiki page to Public Law 96-212 ... and here it is again:
> >>
> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
> >>
> >> And here's the link to the original law:
> >>
> >> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>
> >>
> >>> Translation: You're right so will post this crap in response.
> >>
> >> Of course I'm correct.
> >
> > Nope. Nice spin.
>
> It ain't spin to note that you've not provided any objective facts which
> have debunked points that I've claimed in this thread.

You amuse me.
>
>
> >>>> I "ignored" it by showing you that the arrest data shows that the
> >>>> fentanyl smuggling problem at the US-Mexico border is being primarily
> >>>> perpetrated by US Citizens.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It's bullshit. Deal with it.
> >>
> >> Translation: "La la la, I can't deal with reality!". /s
> >
> > I made you copy me.
>
> YA evasion attempt.

You copied me.
>
> In the meantime, the facts still remain clear:
>
> "Overall, the dataset reveals that out of 9,473 individuals associated
> with a fentanyl seizure, 7,598 were US citizens (80.2 percent). Source:
> Customs and Border Protection, Freedom of Information Act request
> CBP-FO-2023-005880, 2024."
>
> <https://www.cato.org/blog/us-citizens-were-802-crossers-fentanyl-ports-entry-2019-2024>
>
> And if you don't like that reporting source, the information you need to
> independently confirm it for yourself is listed above: just submit a
> FOIA request to ask for a copy of what their FOIA request had received:
> its ID# is CBP-FO-2023-005880, 2024.
>
> Thus, you don't need to believe me, or CATO, but can see it for yourself
> that it isn't reality, but your belief which is bullshit.

I know what I know and that's good enough.
>
>
> >>>>>>> Cross at legal crossing points and
> >>>>>>> get vetted. If you try to cross anywhere else you are breaking the law
> >>>>>>> and go to jail or get sent back. That worked for a long time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Need cite? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This systemic under-funding has resulted in a years-long case backlog,
> >>>>>>>> and even though the Judicial approval rate of refugee cases is under 5%,
> >>>>>>>> they're legally allowed to reside in the USA until their case is heard.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps the reason why this situation has been allowed to continue is
> >>>>>>>> because its good for business: they can hire those peoples cheaply
> >>>>>>>> (they're 7.65% cheaper than US Citizens at the same hourly rate), plus
> >>>>>>>> most (~95%) of the time, the businesses know that they don't really have
> >>>>>>>> to worry about having to provide raises or pay longer term benefits.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...and of course Skeeter can't bring himself up to comment on the plain
> >>>>>> truths mentioned above, particularly in light of how he knows that Trump
> >>>>>> directed Johnson to kill the immigration reform bill earlier this year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was a bill full of pork. Stupid spending.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pork? List them.
> >>>
> >>> More money going to other countries is not a border bill.
> >>
> >>
> >> List them.
> >>
> >> Second request, dodger
> >
> > You know it. You want to ignore it.
>
>
> We all see that you can't substantiate your claim. And you know it.

Cute.
>
>
>
> >>>> From a fiscal standpoint, "stupid spending" was forgiving fraudulent
> >>>> PPP loans in Oct 2020, instead of prosecuting those criminals.
> >>>>
> >>>> Likewise, the 2017 TCJA added $2T to the national deficit, and because
> >>>> actual revenues are still lower than the original 2017 CBO baseline
> >>>> ($28,490B vs $29,170B) it not only didn't deliver its "trickle down"
> >>>> promises, but actually harmed the US economy. Data's from here:
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://taxfoundation.org/blog/2017-tax-law-revenue/>
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, none of this diversion attempt from Skeeter touches the main
> >>>> point made, which is that many of the immigrants aren't illegal in the
> >>>> first place, but are in limbo for 3-5 years awaiting their court date,
> >>>> and during that wait, US businesses exploit them as a cheap labor pool.
> >>>
> >>> I am talking about the ones who enter other than a legal entry point.
> >>> Remember that numbskull?
> >>
> >> So? Show us where in the law that's actually a legal requirement.
> >> Here's the text ... point out the specific line:
> >>
> >> <https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg102.pdf>
> >
> > So allow 1000s across with no vetting? Great, you support the gangs and
> > raping and killing.
>
> Gosh, if only there was legislation put forward this year to provide
> more resources for timely vetting ... but Skeeter says that it shouldn't
> be funded, because it was laden with pork that no one can find.

True. It was. Just follow the law. Something liberals avoid.
>
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> But yeah sure, the next time you see a Vet, you'll say your performative
> >>>>>>>>>> "Thank you for your service" to make you - not them - feel better:
> >>>>>>>>>> Active Duty knows that it is bullshit, because you don't really support
> >>>>>>>>>> the troops, as evidenced by your support of political candidates who
> >>>>>>>>>> stole DoD housing funds to build a wall, and who try to strip services &
> >>>>>>>>>> funding from the VA.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> You never served so shut the fuck up.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Unlike you, I've sworn the Oath to uphold & defend the US Constitution.
> >>>>>>>> I know that that Oath is a lifetime commitment and live so accordingly.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yea whatever.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gosh, what a gracious apology that was from you.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was more like a middle finger. I dont believe you.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oh, we all know that you're just trying to be rude...and failing even at
> >>>> that: you're simply reinforcing what we already knew, which is that
> >>>> your "thank you for your service" is performative bullshit, as you turn
> >>>> on anyone who you just worshiped if they say things you don't like.
> >>>
> >>> TINW
> >>
> >> ...and?
> >
> > You're alone.
>
> Doesn't matter to me: I oppose evil no matter how much I'm outnumbered.

Yet you support the current admin?
>
>
>
> >>>>>> Now you might be starting to have a clue as to why Active Duty turned
> >>>>>> away from supporting the GOP back in 2020, and there's not a chance in
> >>>>>> hell that they're going to go back now in 2024. Case in point:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Trump?s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll ? and more
> >>>>>> troops say they?ll vote for Biden"
> >>>>>> - 31 AUG 2020
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> cite:
> >>>>>> <https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> FYI, the poll they also listed showed Biden +3.9 points over Trump.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All something that means nothing.
> >>>>
> >>>> It shows that the GOP has lost support from their traditional military
> >>>> members base. And your deflection attempt illustrates your desperation.
> >>>
> >>> Nope. They support him liar.
> >>
> >> Claim not substantiated
> >
> > No need. It's the truth.
>
> Yet you can't show it to others.

I don't need to.
>
> In the meantime...
>
> <https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/10/trump-military-generals-hitler/680327/>

I sure am making you work hard.
>
>
> >>>>> So why were they booing her at he rally?
> >>>>
> >>>> Gosh, what another vague allusion without any substantiation.
> >>>> How convenient for you!
> >>>
> >>> I watched it idiot. They were booing her.
> >>
> >> Still yet another vague allusion without substantiation:
> >> Which alleged rally when? What context? What timestamp? etc.
> >
> > It was a rally the other day moron. She also pissed off some people when
> > someone yelled "Jesus is Lord" and she said "you're at the wrong rally"
> >>
> >> Because they were probably booing when she mentioned Trump, or the
> >> mascara-laden gender-affirmed Boy Wonder.
> >
> > HAHAHAHA Trump is all she talks about.

<crickets>
> >>
> >> Without a cite from Youtube/etc, you got nothing credible. Again.
> >
> > I do. Deal with it. I saw it.
>
> "Mooom! Grandpa is repeating himself ... again!"

I saw it. You didn't.
>
> Meantime, these aren't the generals that you are looking for:
>
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> voices and challenges the fiction that most or all of the military votes
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> Republicans.?
>
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>
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>
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