On 10/21/24 11:18 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not a war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
>>>>>>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
>>>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To end a war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
>>>>>>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 13 dead soldiers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that makes it ok? You idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Then shut up about it.
>>
>> I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties.
>
> Because you don't care.
>>
>>
>>>>> BUTWHATABOUT
>>>>
>>>> Because I'm showing how you're so selectively pearl-clutching.
>>>
>>> I bet you wish you even knew what that meant.
>>
>> It means you're hamming it up as a drama queen.
>
> Is that what it means? What shithole do you live in?
>>
>>
>>>>>> And it happened while upholding what Trump had obligated the USA to do
>>>>>> under the February 2020 Doha Accord.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit Joe fucked up. Even the "generals" said so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why the scare quotes around "generals"? Are these some of Trump's very
>>>> fake "But Sir!" (he said with a tear in his eye), or do you have actual
>>>> citations with names, dates, and quotes?
>>>>
>>>> Plus when did these leaders first oppose? Back at the Doha Accord?
>>>> Because Doha was when the final ball was committed & put in motion.
>>>
>>> I wasn't there.
>>
>> Oh, so you now can't actually produce any of these "generals". Check!
>
> Well they don't live here.
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>> This hh assclown is a massive idiot.
>>>>>>> Congress never declared war during Vietnam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor did Congress declare war for Korea. Yet you keep on trying to use
>>>>>> "not a war" pedantry to overlook Trump's military engagements.
>>>>>
>>>>> What wars did he start?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What wars did Biden start?
>>>
>>> I never said he started any.
>>
>>
>> Then why did you ask what wars Trump started?
>
> It's called a question dummy.
>
>> Hypocritical double-standard much?
>
> No, a question.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Which includes 65 soldiers who died in Afghanistan during Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a war.
>>>>
>>>> Then by your own standard, Biden's 13 losses during the final evacuation
>>>> don't count either.
>>>
>>> They are dead because of his fuck up. I know you don't care. Like
>>> Hillary said about the troops that died at Benghazi. "at this point what
>>> difference does it make?"
>>
>> On the contrary: while you've been alluding to them being suckers and
>> losers (TM), I've cared enough to put their sacrifice into mission
>> context of how many civilians were successfully rescued. Don't you
>> remember how I've posted a challenge to all comers to go identify any
>> equivalent military evacuation under fire to have had a better
>> (casualty:rescue) ratio? Or is this another case of your selective
>> senility again?
>
> What a load. People died because Joe fucked up.

If you think its BS, stop dodging and just simply prove me wrong.

Show us what other military evacuation under fire had a better ratio of
rescues vs losses: Afghanistan had 122,000 rescued for 13 losses, which
is a ratio of 9,385 saved for each loss. List all of those operations
which have been so vastly better executed that this one was a 'fuck up'.

FYI, from the COLA archives:

"...if one wants to callously compare the two in terms of the
ratio of successfully evacuated -vs- US lives lost, there were 4 deaths
in the Saigon airlift to save 7,000 people, so Vietnam's metric was
1750:1. In contrast, Afghanistan was 13 for 122,000 which is 9400:1 ...
5x better."

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/gqTggM-UC_M/m/4Y9ynM54GQAJ>

Yeah, this challenge has been out there for losers to try to debunk
since September 1, 2021 ... and not one blathermouth has succeeded.

>>>>>>> What do they call it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These libbys are fools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to you two being hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>> No wars caused by Trump.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So? What wars did Biden cause? Also zero, right?
>>>
>>> I never said he did. But he sure allowed them to happen.
>>
>> Yes, Trump did certainly permit a lot of bad shit, including the ongoing
>> Mideast mess which centers around Iran's surrogates, which is on Trump
>> for pulling out of that nuclear deal.
>
>
> BUTWHATABOUT TRUMP!

"No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons.

>>>>>> For you're also being deliberately blind to how Trump failed to deliver
>>>>>> on his campaign promise to exit Afghanistan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe fucked that up.
>>>>
>>>> How could Biden have "fucked up" Trump's campaign promise to be out of
>>>> Afghanistan by the end of Trump's term? Be specific.
>>>
>>> Why did Biden spend his first day signing off all Trumps EOs? He could
>>> have changed that too.
>>
>> Why did Trump spend his first weeks signing off on EOs that undid
>> Obama's works? FYI, one of these eliminated an SEC based fiduciary
>> responsibility on your Investment Broker when he gives you advice.
>> This could be why you've been whining about not being as well off today.
>
>
> and he runs from the question and a BUTWHATABOUT
"No wars caused by Trump" <-- you started these comparisons.

Plus we know that Trump cancelled a bunch of Obama's stuff, so you've
failed to show how Biden was in any way meaningfully different.

>>>> Also note that Trump had issued orders to the Pentagon to be out by
>>>> December 2020, but then rescinded that order. Why didn't he keep his
>>>> campaign promise? Perhaps because he thinks his legacy would have been
>>>> one of someone who "runs away"? Or because since there hadn't been
>>>> adequate planning done, military losses then would've been even worse?
>>>
>>> Cry a river. What does that have to do with now?
>>
>> It illustrates how Trump could have met his campaign promise but
>> chickened out. Trump is terrified to be ever be seen as weak, which is
>> why he's easily manipulated by that personality flaw.
>
>
> He is speaking somewhere everyday. Twice today. Sorry but you have
> nothing.

His speech: "You want fries with that?" /s

>>>>>> And blind to how there were thousands of Trump-freed Taliban military
>>>>>> which contributed to the very deaths you're claiming to be so upset about.
>>>>>
>>>>> But allowing crooks to cross the border and rape and kill is ok?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, look: its yet another attempt to run & change the subject!
>>>
>>> Nope, you just want to avoid it.
>>
>> Except for how I then confronted it head on, still quoted below:
>>
>>
>>>> Fun fact:
>>>> most crooks smuggling fentanyl across the border are US citizens.
>>>
>>> Yea right.
>>>>
>>>> Need cite? Here ya go, luzer:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers>
>>>
>>> and? I'm supposed to believe that? Besides no matter what color they are
>>> they are still crossing illegally.
>>
>>
>> Of course *you* don't believe anything that goes against your beliefs.
>> But facts don't give a damn if your feelings get hurt, snowflake.
>
> I'm not a liberal you non original halfwit.

Yet you've still been triggered: that's what makes you a snowflake.

>>>> Much of our border dilemma is due to decades of systemic under-funding
>>>> of the Judicial department who's responsible to process refugee claims,
>>>> primarily since the Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212), which
>>>> amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bull shit. Follow the fucking law.
>>
>> This *is* following the law. Get a clue.
>
> I explained. You choose to ignore.

LOL, your "explanation" was merely a partisan claim.

I "ignored" it by showing you that the arrest data shows that the
fentanyl smuggling problem at the US-Mexico border is being primarily
perpetrated by US Citizens.

Likewise,

>>> Cross at legal crossing points and
>>> get vetted. If you try to cross anywhere else you are breaking the law
>>> and go to jail or get sent back. That worked for a long time.
>>>
>>>> Need cite? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
>>>>
>>>> This systemic under-funding has resulted in a years-long case backlog,
>>>> and even though the Judicial approval rate of refugee cases is under 5%,
>>>> they're legally allowed to reside in the USA until their case is heard.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the reason why this situation has been allowed to continue is
>>>> because its good for business: they can hire those peoples cheaply
>>>> (they're 7.65% cheaper than US Citizens at the same hourly rate), plus
>>>> most (~95%) of the time, the businesses know that they don't really have
>>>> to worry about having to provide raises or pay longer term benefits.
>>
>>
>> ...and of course Skeeter can't bring himself up to comment on the plain
>> truths mentioned above, particularly in light of how he knows that Trump
>> directed Johnson to kill the immigration reform bill earlier this year.
>
>
> It was a bill full of pork. Stupid spending.

Pork? List them.

From a fiscal standpoint, "stupid spending" was forgiving fraudulent
PPP loans in Oct 2020, instead of prosecuting those criminals.

Likewise, the 2017 TCJA added $2T to the national deficit, and because
actual revenues are still lower than the original 2017 CBO baseline
($28,490B vs $29,170B) it not only didn't deliver its "trickle down"
promises, but actually harmed the US economy. Data's from here:

<https://taxfoundation.org/blog/2017-tax-law-revenue/>

Of course, none of this diversion attempt from Skeeter touches the main
point made, which is that many of the immigrants aren't illegal in the
first place, but are in limbo for 3-5 years awaiting their court date,
and during that wait, US businesses exploit them as a cheap labor pool.

>>>>>> But yeah sure, the next time you see a Vet, you'll say your performative
>>>>>> "Thank you for your service" to make you - not them - feel better:
>>>>>> Active Duty knows that it is bullshit, because you don't really support
>>>>>> the troops, as evidenced by your support of political candidates who
>>>>>> stole DoD housing funds to build a wall, and who try to strip services &
>>>>>> funding from the VA.
>>>>>
>>>>> You never served so shut the fuck up.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you, I've sworn the Oath to uphold & defend the US Constitution.
>>>> I know that that Oath is a lifetime commitment and live so accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea whatever.
>>
>> Gosh, what a gracious apology that was from you.
>
> It was more like a middle finger. I dont believe you.

Oh, we all know that you're just trying to be rude...and failing even at
that: you're simply reinforcing what we already knew, which is that
your "thank you for your service" is performative bullshit, as you turn
on anyone who you just worshiped if they say things you don't like.

>> Now you might be starting to have a clue as to why Active Duty turned
>> away from supporting the GOP back in 2020, and there's not a chance in
>> hell that they're going to go back now in 2024. Case in point:
>>
>> "Trump?s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll ? and more
>> troops say they?ll vote for Biden"
>> - 31 AUG 2020
>>
>> cite:
>> <https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/>
>>
>> FYI, the poll they also listed showed Biden +3.9 points over Trump.
>
> All something that means nothing.

It shows that the GOP has lost support from their traditional military
members base. And your deflection attempt illustrates your desperation.

> So why were they booing her at he rally?

Gosh, what another vague allusion without any substantiation.
How convenient for you!

-hh