On Oct 17, 2024 at 2:34:23 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671182ca$0$3829$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <vert51$2su5u$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/17/24 2:10 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:67113d28$1$3620715$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote >>>>>>
>>>>> <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?"
>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> that there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids
>>>>> undergo >>>>>>>>>>>> sex change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in
>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> barrel", if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't dispute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was*
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you
>>>>> did >>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you
>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you
>>>>> have a >>>>>> signifiant
>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> world is is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by
>>>>> using >>>>>>> objective
>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that
>>>>> I am >>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact
>>>>> remains >>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and
>>>>> the >>>>>>>> polls
>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> mole hill?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with
>>>>> inflation, >>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric,
>>>>> and >>>>>>> is 102%
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle
>>>>>>>>>>> down. Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor
>>>>> did >>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By what measure?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people
>>>>> were >>>>>>>> not buying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer
>>>>> running, >>>>>>> Harris
>>>>>>>>>>>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as
>>>>> the >>>>>>>> worst
>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this time
>>>>>>>>>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's
>>>>> "WIN" >>>>>>> (Whip
>>>>>>>>>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real
>>>>>>>>>>>> wages
>>>>>>>>>>>> catch up?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity.
>>>>> Used >>>>>> to be a CEO
>>>>>>>>>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth
>>>>> concentration >>>> at
>>>>>>>>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle
>>>>> class, >>>> for
>>>>>>>>> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more
>>>>>>>>> middle
>>>>>>>>> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the
>>>>>>>>> inevitable
>>>>>>>>> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couls afford to do stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
>>>>>>> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
>>>>>>> increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't >>
>>>>> physically
>>>>>>> go out boozing every weekend? /s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to
>>>>> work >> long
>>>>>>> hours anymore.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Crime wasn't as bad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
>>>>>>> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
>>>>>>> perception that things aren't getting better:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
>>>>>>> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
>>>>>>> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent >>
>>>>> property
>>>>>>> theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen
>>>>> from >> the
>>>>>>> mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property
>>>>>>> crime rate between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates
>>>>>>> of burglary (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) & motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Ibid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
>>>>>>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moron.
>>>>>
>>>>> Translation: Nailed It.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> I was already retired. What does that have to do with you being a moron?
>>>
>>> It keeps him from having to admit it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, we all noticed how Skeeter's diversion attempt also let him try to
>> dodge the crime topic too.
>
> Like Hillary said about the dead soldiers in Benghazi "at this point
> what difference does it make?

The quote from Hillary Clinton regarding Benghazi has often been taken out of
context and misrepresented, so let’s clarify what she actually said and
address the broader issue:

1. Context of the Quote

The full quote from Hillary Clinton during a 2013 Senate hearing on Benghazi
was in response to a question about the changing explanations provided by the
administration in the immediate aftermath of the attack. Here’s the full
quote:

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because
of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided
they’d go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It
is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it
from ever happening again.”

In context, she was not dismissing the deaths of the four Americans but rather
expressing frustration over the political focus on the administration’s early
characterizations of the attack, rather than the more important issue of
understanding what went wrong and ensuring such a tragedy wouldn’t be
repeated.

2. The Purpose of the Hearing

The hearing was focused on the operational failures that led to the deaths of
four Americans in Benghazi, not just the public messaging about the event.
Clinton’s point was that, at that moment, the priority should be on learning
from the event to prevent future attacks, not on litigating the shifting
public explanations after the fact.

3. Investigations and Findings

There were multiple investigations into Benghazi, including bipartisan ones,
and none found evidence of deliberate wrongdoing or neglect on Clinton’s part
that directly led to the deaths. Many of the criticisms that followed were
politically motivated rather than based on factual evidence of malfeasance.

4. Conclusion

The quote is often used to portray Clinton as callous or indifferent to the
deaths, but that interpretation doesn’t align with the full context. Her
response was about moving the focus away from politicizing the event and
toward understanding the security failures to prevent future loss of life.

So, using this quote to suggest she was dismissive of the deaths in Benghazi
is a misrepresentation of her actual position during the hearing.

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