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Subject: Re: A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines Could Take Over the World.
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Le 2024-10-17 à 11 h 38, DFS a écrit :
> On 10/17/2024 10:11 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Le 2024-10-17 à 09 h 37, DFS a écrit :
>>> On 10/17/2024 8:57 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't use sleep all that much anyway, but when I do, I expect it
>>>> to work. It does in Windows, but I'm convinced that I can get it to
>>>> work reliably in Linux somehow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep hope alive!
>>>
>>>
>>> As the deceased cola-idiot basher amicus_curious (Bill Weisgerber)
>>> used to say:
>>>
>>> "Hope is what replaces action when you run out of ideas."
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Take away hope and cola/Linux/FOSS crumbles to the ground.
>>
>> Honestly though, even you, DFS, must be aware of how things are
>> degenerating on the proprietary side.
>
> Most of your claims are paranoid fantasies.  Those that aren't fantasies
> are irrelevant.

It's a paranoid fantasy to claim that Microsoft is monitoring your usage
even though those are the biggest criticisms of Windows 11 and CoPilot
second? You might want to read up on the matter to see which information
Microsoft gathers and how much of it.

>> They're pushing AI like there is no tomorrow,
>
> Yes.  And it will continue for a long time.  But what's the problem with
> it?

To be effective and accurate, the AI has to base itself on a large
amount of data available on the web as well as private data its
developer has gathered without your knowledge.

>> they're making surveillance more commonplace without a care as to how
>> it might affect the user.
>
> In your mind.  You have no evidence of this.

*I* don't need the evidence of it because people much smarter than me
have already gathered it all. One such individual is Rob Braxman. Watch
any of his videos and you'll understand that the surveillance is much
worse than you realize. Besides, even before him, Snowden made it very
clear that all of our systems are open to such surveillance.

>> Programs that should be light are bloated,
>
> Load up MS Office and LibreOffice and check the memory usage of each.

Where did I talk about office suites in that message? It's not normal
for an image viewer to be as heavy as it is in Windows 11. It's also not
normal for things as simple as a drawing utility to take up as many
resources as it does. They're making them heavier to get us to upgrade.
We're essentially doing the same thing we did twenty years ago but we
need infinitely more powerful machines today to do the same task. That
should give you some pause.

> > cloud functionality is forced on the user (install Windows 11 > clean
> and notice that all of your personal folders are within
>> /OneDrive/),
>
>
> If so, they're empty and you don't have to use them and you can remove
> them and uninstall OneDrive.  I uninstalled OneDrive immediately and it
> hasn't come back, despite many Windows updates.
>
> I am going to reinstall Win11 soon just to clean out the Registry.

Doesn't it bother you that the registry is such a mess that you even
need to do so?

> > you can't remove the browser,
>
> Yes you can.  MS's public message is it can't be uninstalled, but it can
> be.
>
> I haven't tried this but:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Open a new browser window in Microsoft Edge and paste the following into
> the address bar to find the Edge version number: edge://settings/help.
>
> Cut and paste the following address: C:\Program Files
> (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\{ YOUR Version.Number}\Installer in
> File Explorer.
>
> Open a new Command Prompt window as an admin within the folder and paste
> the following command and press Enter: setup.exe --uninstall --system-
> level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I used Revo Uninstaller to permanently remove Microsot Edge. A week
later, it was back. Even if you can take it off, Microsoft has no
interest in letting you live without it.

> > it keeps demanding to make itself the default,
>
> I haven't seen that.  Occasionally a not-associated file type will open
> in Edge, but I told Windows 11 one time Brave is my default browser, and
> I rarely ever see Edge.

Click on any of the items in the widgets, including the weather, and it
will open in Edge. They don't care that you'd rather the site be opened
in Brave.

> > etc.. Sure, some things might work great, but a lot > of things are
> ridiculously awful. For example, on a fresh install of
>> Windows, my sound would routinely stutter if the GPU was enabled
>> (common problem in Windows on this model of laptop). In addition,
>> right before giving up, just watching Louder with Crowder and opening
>> an image of my son caused the damned machine to freeze. How do you
>> even explain that? It's just laughable for a paid product to do such
>> things.
>
> You get paid to teach, right?  Does getting paid mean you NEVER make a
> mistake?

How the _fuck_ does an operating system crash from opening an image?

>> So yeah, Linux software is often shit. The operating system is
>> inconsistent. Many of its developers have drunk the Marxist Kool-Aid.
>> Its users are frequently flaming fagots like Chris Ahlstrom or Joel
>> Crump. However, just like RonB said, you don't pay for it.
>
> I paid $7 for a legal Win11 Pro license (via Gamer's Outlet).

Good for you. Is that how everyone obtained it? Did they have to pay for
the license when they bought the computer?

>> If something doesn't work right, you can probably fix it
>
> Maybe, maybe not.
>
> In the past I suffered MANY non-working menu items in Linux.  Click on
> an entry and nothing happens.  The command that was executed looked
> correct (when you edited the shortcut) but it just didn't work.
>
> Sometimes the app could be launched from the command line, sometimes not.

And I will be the first to admit that it's true in a number of
distributions even with a clean install. It can be fixed but it's
unforgiveable to deploy a system in that state. I agree with that.

>> and you didn't pay a cent to do so.
>
> You pay with your time.

And some people find that the trouble is worth it because it makes them
smarter about their operating system. Not everyone feels comfortable
using a computer without understanding _how_ it works.

>> Why do we need to continue paying for a product whose owners and
>> developers don't mind progressively taking away our rights
>
> Which rights are you referring to?

The right to own what you paid for.

>> and believe that we can't be allowed to even _own_ the software we
>> paid for?
>
> You don't own any GuhNoo/FOSS software you download, either.  The
> copyright stays with the developer or the FSF.
>
> They often let you do what you want with their code (though they may
> demand you give them any changes you make), but it's still not yours.

But the moment you take their code and add to it, essentially forking
it, it becomes your own as long as you respect the original developer by
crediting them and allowing them to take your code as easily as you did
theirs. That is still better than what proprietary is offering in terms
of rights.

>> Why do we need to let them know whatever they want about us by default?
>
> You don't.  They don't.
>
> No need to be paranoid.  You and I and many millions around the world
> have been posting racial and religious and political vitriol online for
> decades.  What consequences have you suffered from that behavior?

Nothing until we become people of interest to them. If ever we do
because we publicly expressed an unpopular opinion, they will have a ton
of data at their disposal to use against us in a prosecution. Much like
I encrypt all of my incoming e-mail, contacts and calendar despite it
being uninteresting because I don't feel that they have a right to see
it by default, I don't believe they have the right to have a treasure
trove of information on us by default should they choose to use it.

>> Why does our information have to be on the cloud because it makes it
>> easier for them to decide whether we are guilty of wrongthink?
>
> Your info isn't taken from your computer and posted on the cloud.  Why
> claim that it is?

By default, both Windows and MacOS sync your documents folder with their
cloud. You can disable it, but a lot of people are as clueless as my
mother and have no idea how to do that.

>> Stallman was right. Modern society shouldn't have to surrender to this.
>
> What statements did Stallman make about AI and privacy, etc?

I won't quote him because I don't have his books at my disposal at the
moment, but his first book is nothing but claims about the importance of
keeping software free with a by-product being a greater privacy for the
user.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

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