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Subject: Re: Why NYers now seem to tolerate just about everything
From: Charlie Glock
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Subject: Re: Why NYers now seem to tolerate just about everything
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On 2024-09-14, unknown <novalidemail@toss.net> wrote:
> In article <52ebej9ivpdhhis4pjl926fmviql8c4k5f@4ax.com>,
> smythlejon2@hotmail.com says...
>>
>> Make sure to look at the pictures to see just how awful NYC has become
>> under democrat rule.
>>
>> 'From public overdoses to protests: Why NYers now seem to tolerate just
>> about everything'
>>
>> <https://nypost.com/2024/09/14/opinion/people-living-in-nyc-now-seem-to-tolerate-almost-everything/>
>>
>> 'Over Labor Day weekend, New York saw behavior that would have been
>> unthinkable a decade ago, when I was a New York City Police Department
>> counterterrorism analyst.
>> Message-ID: <20240914.114220.19e68b08@remailer.frell.eu.org>
>> After the terror organization Hamas executed six hostages, including one
>> American ? thousands marched in support of the terrorists.
>>
>> From behind keffiyehs, they disrupted the Labor Day Parade, flying the
>> flags of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of
>> Palestine and called for more violence against Americans and Jews. And
>> yet they face no social condemnation.
>>
>> Protests
>> 6
>> The seemingly unstoppable pro-Palestinian protests reveal a new
>> tolerance for a lack of law and disorder unlike anything the city has
>> ever witnessed, critics claims.
>> William C Lopez/New York Post
>> White House spokesman Andrew Bates called this pro-terror spectacle
>> ?especially heinous,? and urged ?all Americans to come together and
>> stand against antisemitism and against the sickening hate and evil that
>> Hamas represents.?
>>
>> His appeal echoed that of Mayor Adams, who, in June urged: ?Any New
>> Yorker who stands for peace cannot stand next to those waving Hamas and
>> Hezbollah flags.?
>>
>> But now, unlike after Sept. 11, 2001 and the decade that followed, New
>> Yorkers are not coming together to condemn antisocial behavior ? whether
>> it?s blasting music on city buses, consuming illicit drugs in front of
>> our children or championing terrorists who butcher innocent Americans.
>>
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>> We have given up so much of our control of public spaces over the past
>> few years, that we paved the way for them to be overrun ? even by those
>> calling for the very destruction of our society.
>>
>> As a lifelong Upper West Sider, this disintegration in social control in
>> recent years has been palpable.
>>
>> Indeed, I was concerned by the disappearance of public trust way before
>> last October?s rape-massacre of Israelis was brazenly celebrated with
>> violence against Jews in Times Square.
>>
>> Drug use
>> 6
>> A decade ago, such brazen open-air drug uses would never have been
>> tolerated by Gothamites, according to reports.
>> Stephen Yang
>> Like two-thirds of polled New Yorkers, I no longer think my
>> neighborhood?s safety is excellent or even good ? because I?m not
>> confident my fellow citizens are looking out for me.
>>
>> Criminologists have long considered social control to be a measure of
>> citizens? trust in each other and their willingness to intervene when
>> they perceive a problem.
>>
>> Harvard?s Robert Sampson described these as a metric of ?collective
>> efficacy?; associated insights from George Kelling and sociologist James
>> Q. Wilson led to a focus on quality-of-life policing in the 1990s, which
>> radically improved American cities? norms of behavior.
>>
>> Mayor Adams
>> 6
>> ?Any New Yorker who stands for peace cannot stand next to those waving
>> Hamas and Hezbollah flags,? declared Mayor Adams said in June.
>> Erik Pendzich/Shutterstock
>> The Upper West Side improved radically as I grew up because more laws
>> against low-level offending were enforced: broken windshield glass
>> stopped littering Riverside Drive, syringes disappeared from park lawns
>> and prostitutes vanished from Amsterdam Avenue.
>>
>> As a community, our ?collective efficacy? rose, such that we could
>> maintain these social norms without constant interventions by the
>> criminal justice system.
>>
>> But the political backlash against policing and incarceration that began
>> around 2014 ? and exploded during the #blacklivesmatter protests of 2020
>> ? destroyed New York communities? collective efficacy. We need formal
>> control in order to enable informal control.
>>
>> Without authorized use of force ? police, courts and prisons ?
>> individuals become more tentative about trusting others or about the
>> inherent physical risks in intervening in apparent problems.
>>
>> Indeed, when my husband recently demanded a woman not smoke crack in a
>> crowded subway car next to our kids, she did it anyway ? and no one
>> ?came together? to stop her.
>>
>> Sept 11
>> 6
>> In the period following the September 11th attacks, New Yorkers came
>> together against urban impunity, reports say.
>> Tamara Beckwith/New York Post
>> Central to this hesitance is that New York stopped prosecuting crimes.
>>
>> Last year, the Manhattan District Attorney?s office arraigned over 63%
>> fewer cases than a decade prior: that is 62,435 fewer prosecutions. And
>> whereas Manhattan used to convict almost two-thirds of those offenders,
>> now less than a third are convicted ? despite the overall lower
>> caseload.
>>
>> Barely a quarter of misdemeanors, encompassing many street disorder
>> crimes, now result in convictions. Even more indicative of
>> quality-of-life abandonment, Manhattan went from 7,500 convictions for
>> violations and infractions in 2013, to just 47 last year: a conviction
>> rate drop from 63% to 14%.
>>
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>>
>> The extreme ?Free Palestine? movement has brilliantly exploited our
>> weakened social norms, adopting tactics ? like masking ? that
>> universally undermine trust.
>>
>> Similarly, chanting barely coded threats to wipe Jews off the map or
>> drowning out civic life with loud drumming all signal that these
>> demonstrators don?t care about earning your trust.
>>
>> Just as more and more New Yorkers don?t care about smoking in your train
>> car or stealing from your supermarket.
>>
>> Alvin Bragg
>> 6
>> The hands-off prosecution policies of Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg have made
>> city chaos even worse, critics believe.
>>
>> REUTERS
>> Most illustrative are agitators? acts of physical intimidation, from
>> tackling a janitor at Columbia to killing a counter-protestor with a
>> megaphone-blow.
>>
>> Appropriating ?zones? within public spaces is itself a physical
>> aggression, intentionally telegraphing risk to anyone who dares exercise
>> their right to passage across a college campus or across a bridge.
>>
>> Demonstrators order reporters and passersby not to speak to them, not to
>> film them, not to ask them any questions about what they believe or what
>> they are advocating.
>>
>> Encampments
>> 6
>> The college encampments reveal an erosion of the ?collective efficacy?
>> that made Manhattan so much safer over the past decades.
>> Getty Images
>> And this type of disorder will almost inevitably spread beyond the
>> current protest moment.
>>
>> New Yorkers, once famous for our confrontational style of conflict
>> resolution, are meekly tolerating aggression and averting our eyes from
>> its impact on our communities.
>>
>>
>> To revive our collective efficacy, we need to amend the policies and
>> practices that gutted our criminal justice system. And we need to stand
>> up for the social norms that we miss and make our cities cohesive.
>
> NY has been a shithole state since the days of Mayor Rudy
> who fucked the place up royally.It has nothing to do with
> the current administration.The NYPost is a lie paper.
>
Snit, is that you?
Socking up again?

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

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