Hello,

having searched for an answer of my question, but have found no hints: I
want to realize a critical edition for which I want to set some letters
in the Artificial Uncial. I use lualtex and fontspec, but get this
below. How can I solve this?

kind regards
Jens

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! LaTeX Error: Encoding scheme `B1' unknown.

See the LaTeX manual or LaTeX Companion for explanation.
Type H <return> for immediate help.
...

l.16 {\aunclfamily
AAGG}
?

LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `TU/auncl/m/n' undefined
(Font) using `TU/lmr/m/n' instead on input line 16.

MWE:
\documentclass{scrbook}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{oldstandard}
\usepackage{auncial}

\begin{document}

some text
{\aunclfamily AAGG}
some text

\end{document}

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Jens-Olaf Lindermann <j.lindermann@fu-berlin.de> wrote or quoted:
>! LaTeX Error: Encoding scheme `B1' unknown.

I have no clue about LaTeX! But it looks like that specific error
message goes away after you drop "\usepackage[B1,T1]{fontenc}" under
the line "\documentclass{scrbook}". Still, there are a few more
error messages hanging around here . . . :-(

Am Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:29:31 +0200 schrieb Jens-Olaf Lindermann:

> Hello,
>
> having searched for an answer of my question, but have found no hints:

I'm always again surprised how many people nowadays ignore the
documentation of a package. I suggest that you do texdoc auncial and
then read section 2. (Put the fontenc command then before fontspec,
to avoid side-effects on the main text encoding.)

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Jens-Olaf Lindermann schrieb am 23.07.24 um 13:29:

> having searched for an answer of my question, but have found no hints: I
> want to realize a critical edition for which I want to set some letters
> in the Artificial Uncial. I use lualtex and fontspec, but get this
> below. How can I solve this?

You mean lualatex?

Just typest by pdflatex using the preamble

\documentclass{scrbook}
\usepackage{auncial}
\usepackage[B1]{fontenc}

Maybe I should have mentioned, that indeed I have read the documentation
of auncial, and having tried to solve the problem alone in many ways like

\textuncl{text} or \aunclfamily{}, also having put the [B1]{fontenc}
package.

This would have given a bunch of MWEs. And yes, the files b1enc.def,
b1cmr.fd and TeXB1.enc are in my texlive directory too. But never mind:
I have realized the task with the package uncial (not the uncial A I
want but alas – I have to edit a Latin text.

PS: If you have one day a question about a Latin phrase or problem in
old Greek, feel free to ask me – I will certainly not insist that you
have to learn Latin first (on my level naturally).

> I'm always again surprised how many people nowadays ignore the
> documentation of a package. I suggest that you do texdoc auncial and
> then read section 2. (Put the fontenc command then before fontspec,
> to avoid side-effects on the main text encoding.)
>
>
>

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Jens-Olaf Lindermann schrieb am 24.07.24 um 02:33:

> Maybe I should have mentioned, that indeed I have read the documentation
> of auncial, and having tried to solve the problem alone in many ways like
>
> \textuncl{text} or \aunclfamily{}, also having put the [B1]{fontenc}
> package.
>
> This would have given a bunch of MWEs. And yes, the files b1enc.def,
> b1cmr.fd and TeXB1.enc are in my texlive directory too. But never mind:
> I have realized the task with the package uncial (not the uncial A I
> want but alas – I have to edit a Latin text.

I guess that if you insist on using lualatex instead of pdflatex, you
probably want to look carefully at references such as the following.
If nothing helps, I believe you can ask your question there as well.

<https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/412757/do-i-need-to-use-usepackaget1fontenc-if-i-use-lualatex>

<https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/484771/ieeetran-getting-fonts-right-with-lualatex?noredirect=1&lq=1>

<https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/243482/switching-to-lualatex-how-to-translate-font-setups>

Jens-Olaf Lindermann schrieb am 24.07.24 um 02:33:

> ... And yes, the files b1enc.def,
> b1cmr.fd and TeXB1.enc are in my texlive directory too.

Try the preamble

\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{oldstandard}
\usepackage[B1,TU]{fontenc}
\usepackage{auncial}
\usepackage{fonttable}

Then you (should) get "No file B1lmr.fd".

This file is not in the list you gave above.

> Then you (should) get "No file B1lmr.fd".

Correct. I get this message.

> This file is not in the list you gave above.

This file isn't named in the documentation of auncial too. And yes, I
have to 'insist' in using LuaLaTeX, because slowly I get used to it.
Thanks for the links, which (as far as I could see) say, that
(technically) fontenc isn't necessary with fontspec. Having encounterd
the auncial exception (there will be many others I presume), I will rely
on the uncial-package.

Using auncial only for these four letters A.A.G.G. (a common
Abbreviatura) its not worth the trouble and the time – not yours, not mine.

s.p.d.
J

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Jens-Olaf Lindermann <j.lindermann@fu-berlin.de> wrote or quoted:
>>Then you (should) get "No file B1lmr.fd".
>Correct. I get this message.

(Windows folks, the next paragraph's your jam.
Linux gang, you'll want to chew on both of these nuggets.)

When you're in a pickle like that on Windows, firing up "Procmon"
can be a real lifesaver. Just filter for processes with "tex"
in the image name, and bam - you'll see exactly where the program's
sniffing around for files. Then it's a cinch to drop the file
right where it needs to be.

For the Linux crowd, you *might* be able to pull off something
similar by running "strace -ff -o textrace <texcommandline>".
That'll spit out some "textrace" files that *might* clue you
in, but I'm not gonna lie, I'm out of my depth on that one.
It's about as clear to me as the fog rolling into the Bay!

<snip>

Can we make this a minimal example? ;)

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On 24/07/2024 10:29, Jens-Olaf Lindermann wrote:

> Using auncial only for these four letters A.A.G.G. (a common
> Abbreviatura) its not worth the trouble and the time – not yours, not
> mine.

In that case I'd avoid the auncial package and reference the font via
fontspec direct, eg

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{Old Standard}
\newfontface{\auncial}{auncl10.pfb}
[Path=/usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/fonts/type1/public/auncial-new/]
\begin{document}
Test \auncial A.A.G.G.
\end{document}

Peter

Am Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:33:09 +0200 schrieb Jens-Olaf Lindermann:

> Maybe I should have mentioned,

Yes you should have mentioned that.

> that indeed I have read the documentation
> of auncial, and having tried to solve the problem alone in many ways like
>
> \textuncl{text} or \aunclfamily{}, also having put the [B1]{fontenc}
> package.

Section 2 starts with

Thus, to use the font in a document you need to
at least have: \usepackage[B1,...]{fontenc} in the preamble.

So it is quite clear that this is a must, and if this didn't work
for you you should have shown a MWE *with* this line.

The B1-encoding misses a FontSubstitution declaration. You can
repair that like this

\documentclass{scrbook}

\DeclareFontEncoding{B1}{}{}
\DeclareFontSubstitution{B1}{cmr}{m}{n}
\usepackage[B1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont{oldstandard}
\usepackage{auncial}

\begin{document}

some text
{\aunclfamily AAGG}
some text

\end{document}

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Jens-Olaf Lindermann schrieb am 24.07.24 um 11:29:

> Using auncial only for these four letters A.A.G.G. (a common
> Abbreviatura) its not worth the trouble and the time – not yours, not mine.

Well, people like to be helpful in general, and if you ask
somebody for help it's a bit contradictory to discourage him.

The solution proposed by Ulrike (12:31) works perfectly well.

Thank you – it works fine – in the MWE; when I paste your solution in my
Master File, lualatex is complaining an "undefined controll sequence
\aunclfamily"; this is maybe some conflict with other packages I doesn't
get and I am a bit tired now of this problem.

For now, I use \textuncl{} and come back to this problem soon.

Thank all of you for the help!

J

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Jens-Olaf Lindermann schrieb am 24.07.24 um 13:40:

> Thank you – it works fine – in the MWE; when I paste your solution in my
> Master File, lualatex is complaining an "undefined controll sequence
> \aunclfamily"; this is maybe some conflict with other packages I doesn't
> get and I am a bit tired now of this problem.

This sounds like some kind of grouping problem. Can you try using
{\usefont{B1}{auncl}{m}{n} AAGG} instead of {\aunclfamily AAGG} ?

> This sounds like some kind of grouping problem. Can you try using
> {\usefont{B1}{auncl}{m}{n} AAGG} instead of {\aunclfamily AAGG} ?

I have put Ulrikes working solution in the preamble and also the auncial
OR the allauncl package (both of them work fine):

\DeclareFontEncoding{B1}{}{}
\DeclareFontSubstitution{B1}{cmr}{m}{n}
\usepackage[B1]{fontenc}
\usepackage{fontspec}
\setmainfont[Ligatures=TeX]{OldStandard-Regular}
\setmonofont{OldStandard}
\setsansfont{OldStandard}
\usepackage{allauncl}

In the text I have put all the variants

\textuncl{AAGG}
{\usefont{B1}{auncl}{m}{n} AAGG}
{\aunclfamily AAGG}

The first works fine (beside the fact, that the A is an rounded A.
The second:

(/usr/local/texlive/2024/texmf-dist/tex/latex/bookhands/ot1uncl.fd)
! LaTeX Error: Encoding scheme `B1' unknown.

l.672 {\usefont{B1}{auncl}{m}{n}
AAGG}?

The third:
LaTeX Font Warning: Font shape `TU/auncl/m/n' undefined
(Font) using `TU/lmr/m/n' instead on input line 672.

(/usr/local/texlive/2024/texmf-dist/tex/latex/microtype/mt-LatinModernRoman.cfg
) ! Undefined control sequence.
l.673 {\aunclfamily
AAGG}
?

I am completely lost with this.

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Am Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:12:22 +0200 schrieb Jens-Olaf Lindermann:

>> This sounds like some kind of grouping problem. Can you try using
>> {\usefont{B1}{auncl}{m}{n} AAGG} instead of {\aunclfamily AAGG} ?
>
> I have put Ulrikes working solution in the preamble and also the auncial
> OR the allauncl package (both of them work fine):

No they don't. auncial is more or less ok with lualatex if you need
it for a small number of letters, but allauncl should not be used
with lualatex.

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> Thank you – it works fine – in the MWE; when I paste your solution in my
> Master File, lualatex is complaining an "undefined controll sequence
> \aunclfamily"; this is maybe some conflict with other packages I doesn't
> get and I am a bit tired now of this problem.

Solution: I had to delete the .aux file, than everything runs smooth as
silk – beside some formatting problems in the headlines and in the
tableofcontents – but this I can (hopefully) solve myself.

Thanks to all of you (especially Ulrike)

J

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