As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
time!

Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.

Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period
where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.

I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
recommended or cautioned against?

In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

> As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
> alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
> time!
>
> Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.
>
> Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
> over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period
> where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
> fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
> install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
> straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
> done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.
>
> I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
> recommended or cautioned against?

From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.

Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is
problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

-Theo

On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:

> In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
> vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
>
>> As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
>> alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
>> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
>> time!
>>
>> Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
>> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.
>>
>> Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
>> over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period
>> where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
>> fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
>> install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
>> straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
>> done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.
>>
>> I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
>> recommended or cautioned against?
>
> From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
> from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.
>
> Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is
> problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
> disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
> an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.
>
> -Theo

Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting
archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't
behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
some reason though that wouldn't work.

In article <contact-C4C66D.20583408122024@news.eternal-september.org>,
Knezzen <contact@unixfiles.org> wrote:

> In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
> vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
>
> > As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
> > alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
> > it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
> > time!
> >
> > Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
> > hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.
> >
> > Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
> > over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period
> > where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
> > fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
> > install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
> > straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
> > done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.
> >
> > I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
> > recommended or cautioned against?
>
> From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
> from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.
>
> Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is
> problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
> disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
> an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.

Thanks for confirming it's not necessarily an oddity particular to my
machine. I will do what you've done and disable the boot check. :)

In article <vj525a$18c4$1@dont-email.me>,
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

> On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:
>
> > In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
> > vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
> >
> >> As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
> >> alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
> >> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
> >> time!
> >>
> >> Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
> >> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.
> >>
> >> Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same way
> >> over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then a period
> >> where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back to booting
> >> fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a relatively fresh
> >> install on the machine now, a couple of months old, and it was booting
> >> straight into OS9 for a while before this started happening again. I have
> >> done no recent software installs that correlate with it beginning, either.
> >>
> >> I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
> >> recommended or cautioned against?
> >
> > From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
> > from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.
> >
> > Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is
> > problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
> > disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
> > an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.
> >
> > -Theo
>
> Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting
> archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't
> behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
> some reason though that wouldn't work.

It's not really using the main Disk First Aid application, it's a on
boot control of the filesystem independant of it. Running Disk First Aid
manually works fine, and the on boot check runs fine. The problem is
that it keeps appearing every boot for some reason, despite the system
shutting down correctly.

-Theo

Knezzen <contact@unixfiles.org> wrote:

> In article <vj525a$18c4$1@dont-email.me>,
> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:
> >
> > > In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
> > > vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
> > >
> > >> As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First Aid
> > >> alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and then
> > >> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly every
> > >> time!
> > >>
> > >> Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
> > >> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.
> > >>
> > >> Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same
> > >> way over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then
> > >> a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back
> > >> to booting fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a
> > >> relatively fresh install on the machine now, a couple of months old,
> > >> and it was booting straight into OS9 for a while before this started
> > >> happening again. I have done no recent software installs that
> > >> correlate with it beginning, either.
> > >>
> > >> I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
> > >> recommended or cautioned against?
> > >
> > > From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
> > > from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.
> > >
> > > Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is
> > > problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
> > > disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
> > > an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.
> > >
> > > -Theo
> >
> > Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting
> > archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't
> > behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
> > some reason though that wouldn't work.
>
> It's not really using the main Disk First Aid application, it's a on
> boot control of the filesystem independant of it. Running Disk First Aid
> manually works fine, and the on boot check runs fine. The problem is
> that it keeps appearing every boot for some reason, despite the system
> shutting down correctly.

Just a remote possibility: have you checked to see if there is
something in the Startup Folder that shouldn't be there?

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

In article <1r4tb8y.1wddfmc8xcol8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

> Knezzen <contact@unixfiles.org> wrote:
>
> > In article <vj525a$18c4$1@dont-email.me>,
> > super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2024-12-08 19:58:35 +0000, Knezzen said:
> > >
> > > > In article <vintageapplemac-3011240518390001@192.168.1.134>,
> > > > vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> As subject, every time I boot this machine up lately the Disk First
> > > >> Aid
> > > >> alert appears telling me the computer didn't shut down properly and
> > > >> then
> > > >> it scans for errors. Thing is, I shut the computer down correctly
> > > >> every
> > > >> time!
> > > >>
> > > >> Machine is PowerMac G4 MDD 1.25Ghz, OS9.2.2, hard drive is a 256GB SSD
> > > >> hooked to a Sonnet Tempo SATA PCI card.
> > > >>
> > > >> Any ideas why this keeps happening? It has done it before in the same
> > > >> way over the years, there'll be a period where it boots fine and then
> > > >> a period where it always runs Disk First Aid, and then it'll go back
> > > >> to booting fine for a time for no rhyme or reason... I have a
> > > >> relatively fresh install on the machine now, a couple of months old,
> > > >> and it was booting straight into OS9 for a while before this started
> > > >> happening again. I have done no recent software installs that
> > > >> correlate with it beginning, either.
> > > >>
> > > >> I can disable Disk First Aid from ever running at start-up, is that
> > > >> recommended or cautioned against?
> > > >
> > > > From my experience I started getting this *all the time* when I moved
> > > > from rotating storage to SSD's in my machines about 10 years ago or so.
> > > >
> > > > Something about how a volume is flagged as "dirty" in Mac OS 9.2.2 is
> > > > problematic when using more modern storage solutions. I tend to just
> > > > disable the boot check in the "General Controls" control panel and keep
> > > > an eye on my volumes with Disk First Aid twice a year or so.
> > > >
> > > > -Theo
> > >
> > > Wonder if you could just compress Disk First Aid into a self-extracting
> > > archive and use it when needed, that's what I do with apps that don't
> > > behave like I want them to. If it froze the machine on start up for
> > > some reason though that wouldn't work.
> >
> > It's not really using the main Disk First Aid application, it's a on
> > boot control of the filesystem independant of it. Running Disk First Aid
> > manually works fine, and the on boot check runs fine. The problem is
> > that it keeps appearing every boot for some reason, despite the system
> > shutting down correctly.
>
> Just a remote possibility: have you checked to see if there is
> something in the Startup Folder that shouldn't be there?

I think it's more of a flag not being unset on the filesystem when using
a SSD (it's not possible to unset it at all?). It's replicatable on a
fresh install of Mac OS 9.2.2 on my machines that have SSD's (TiBook,
MDD, Kanga).

-Theo