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* Anybody use System 7David Heaton
+- Re: Anybody use System 7Your Name
+- Re: Anybody use System 7Patrik Schindler
`* Re: Anybody use System 7scole
 `- Re: Anybody use System 7Rene Kint

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Subject: Anybody use System 7
From: David Heaton
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Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 23:36 UTC
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From: twertlesonline@gmail.com (David Heaton)
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Subject: Anybody use System 7
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:36:04 -0500
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while im afraid to use my 1400 due to its hinges possibly failing in 9
months my 13.3in PDQ Wallstreet 266 with 128mb of ram and a 4GB
rotational IDE hard disk has held out since i got it in august 2023 and
ive always used 8.1 on it for you system 7 users out there is there a
massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running
7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due
to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?

-snes1423

Subject: Re: Anybody use System 7
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On 2024-10-30 23:36:04 +0000, David Heaton said:
>
> while im afraid to use my 1400 due to its hinges possibly failing in 9
> months my 13.3in PDQ Wallstreet 266 with 128mb of ram and a 4GB
> rotational IDE hard disk has held out since i got it in august 2023 and
> ive always used 8.1 on it for you system 7 users out there is there a
> massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running
> 7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due
> to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?
>
> -snes1423

I can't say for certain, but usually newer versions of the OS run
slower on the same hardware due to the extras added to the system
software, much of it often just useless gimmicks and eye candy.

Subject: Re: Anybody use System 7
From: Patrik Schindler
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Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2024 23:41 UTC
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David Heaton <twertlesonline@gmail.com> wrote:

> is there a massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and
> running 7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster
> due to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?

Well, that's the official saying: More PPC-code = faster.

From my personal experience, nothing beats System 7.1.2 on a first generation
NuBus PowerMac. Later systems had not only more PPC code but more code
overall, which resulted in longer boot times and some overall decrease in
perceived speed for everyday tasks. Also take into account that RAM transfer
speed is also a contributing factor, along with possibly shared RAM for
framebuffer and system contibuting to performance decrease.

The faster the CPU, the more cache it has, and the faster RAM speed is, the
less apparent are differences between systems.

OS releases ≥8 might in theory be slower because of the increased eye candy,
but I have not taken solid measurements.

--

:wq! PoC

Subject: Re: Anybody use System 7
From: scole
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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 05:32 UTC
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Subject: Re: Anybody use System 7
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In article <6722C2E4.C3DBCF5A@gmail.com>, David Heaton
<twertlesonline@gmail.com> wrote:

> is there a
> massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running
> 7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due
> to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?

I dunno about the PPC code question, although it does sound like there's a
logic to what you say. What I can relate is the experience I'm having
running 7.6.1 on my Power Macintosh 9600; it absolutely bloody flies! I
have just rebuilt that machine and it has a Sonnet G4 CPU card and 512MB
RAM, so is phenomenally more powerful than the machines 7.6.1 was intended
to run on.

Partition your drive and install both systems, do a side-by-side
comparison. You'll probably not notice much difference, in truth. But if
there is any difference to notice, I'd bet it'd be that OS7 feels
significantly more nimble than 8.

Subject: Re: Anybody use System 7
From: Rene Kint
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.vintage
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: Anybody use System 7
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The speed difference can be (feel) huge! The enormous difference in
memory usage alone already counts (loading stuff into memory can take a
relatively large amount of resources). Add in the number of cocck cycles
you gain from (let's say) a 25MHz 68030 to a 400MHz G3 and there you
have it!

Enjoy your machine(s)!

Rene
(LC475, iMac G3)

In article <vintageapplemac-3011240532580001@192.168.1.134>,
vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) wrote:

> In article <6722C2E4.C3DBCF5A@gmail.com>, David Heaton
> <twertlesonline@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > is there a
> > massive difference in speed between running 8.1 on a G3 and running
> > 7.6.1 on a G3-upgraded mac? i would think that 8.1 would be faster due
> > to more PowerPC code maybe im wrong?
>
> I dunno about the PPC code question, although it does sound like there's a
> logic to what you say. What I can relate is the experience I'm having
> running 7.6.1 on my Power Macintosh 9600; it absolutely bloody flies! I
> have just rebuilt that machine and it has a Sonnet G4 CPU card and 512MB
> RAM, so is phenomenally more powerful than the machines 7.6.1 was intended
> to run on.
>
> Partition your drive and install both systems, do a side-by-side
> comparison. You'll probably not notice much difference, in truth. But if
> there is any difference to notice, I'd bet it'd be that OS7 feels
> significantly more nimble than 8.

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