So, I'm using YA-NewsWatcher, and I quite like it, but there's two
things that bug the hell out of me that I can't figure out how to fix
in its preferences.

First, I'd like to keep read posts; at the moment, when I load a group
and read posts, when I close and save, the read posts are not visible
the next time I visit. In more modern newsreaders, there's been the
choice to keep or discard read posts, but I can't find such a setting
in YA-NW. Is there one?

Secondly, threading; posts are gathered into threads, but the threads
aren;t properly threaded, all follow-ups are nested beneath the
original post, which makes it awkward to easily navigate the thread and
follow the conversation. Again, other newsreaders I've used on OSX
provide proper threading. Can I make YA-NW act like this?

What other OS9-compatible newsreaders are there that I can configure
like above? I've used Thoth recently but it was pretty buggy and prone
to crashing (although that might be more the fault of the OS9 install I
had then, which was an absolute mess). I used MT-NewsWatcher some years
ago but can't remember if it behaved differently on these aspects than
YA-NW does.

Would appreciate any reccomendations for a better Usenet experience. :)

scole wrote:

> So, I'm using YA-NewsWatcher, and I quite like it, but there's two
> things that bug the hell out of me that I can't figure out how to
> fix in its preferences.
>
> First, I'd like to keep read posts; at the moment, when I load a
> group and read posts, when I close and save, the read posts are
> not visible the next time I visit. In more modern newsreaders,
> there's been the choice to keep or discard read posts, but I can't
> find such a setting in YA-NW. Is there one?
>
> Secondly, threading; posts are gathered into threads, but the
> threads aren;t properly threaded, all follow-ups are nested
> beneath the original post, which makes it awkward to easily
> navigate the thread and follow the conversation. Again, other
> newsreaders I've used on OSX provide proper threading. Can I make
> YA-NW act like this?
>
[...]

I'm more familiar with MT-NewsWatcher, but as both YA-NW and MT-NW
are based on John Norstads original NewsWatcher, their user commands
may be similar if not the same. MT-NW is unchanged from the original
NewsWatcher commands.

In NewsWatcher - options for re-reading or keeping read articles:

1). Open the group from the full group list instead of from your user
group list. The full group list always shows all of the available
articles on your server, whether you have read them or not.

2). In your user group list window. Use the Mark Unread command in
the News menu to mark the entire group unread. Open the group.
i.e.; Command + U = Mark Unread

3). Hold down the Option key while opening a group. You get asked to
enter the most recent number of articles to fetch. Type a number
which you think is big enough. This resets the list of unread
articles in your group to be the most recent articles = to the number
you added.

Your easist option here, is the 2nd above, Command + U = Mark Unread

Not sure about your 2nd querie, re threading. MT-NW seems to do this
OK, but maybe it's a matter of what I'm comfortable with. And I
haven't tried YA-NW in 20+ years, so don't remember how/if it
differed.

--
dee

In article <XnsB211644C44815mikedee@emteedee.invalid>,
Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:

> Not sure about your 2nd querie, re threading. MT-NW seems to do this
> OK, but maybe it's a matter of what I'm comfortable with. And I
> haven't tried YA-NW in 20+ years, so don't remember how/if it
> differed.

Yeah I'm using MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 on my MDD, I used to use YA-NW but
I switched to MT. Like you it's been so long I don't remember why but it
was probably because MT was still being developed after YA gave up the
ghost.

super70s wrote:
>
> Yeah I'm using MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 on my MDD, I used to use
> YA-NW but I switched to MT. Like you it's been so long I don't
> remember why but it was probably because MT was still being
> developed after YA gave up the ghost.
>

Yes, though YA-NW ended after the developer Brian Clark, had created
Thoth, which became a popular Mac shareware newsreader.

Thoth, although good, being a time limited $$trialware didn't really
appeal to me, when MT-NW was easily as good (and free). I didn't see
the advantage.

There was also a short-lived VA-NewsWatcher (Value Added-NewsWatcher)
but it didn't develop much further than beyond it's initial release.

--
dee

On 2024-10-24 03:40:11 +0000, Mike Dee said:
> super70s wrote:
>>
>> Yeah I'm using MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 on my MDD, I used to use
>> YA-NW but I switched to MT. Like you it's been so long I don't
>> remember why but it was probably because MT was still being
>> developed after YA gave up the ghost.
>
> Yes, though YA-NW ended after the developer Brian Clark, had created
> Thoth, which became a popular Mac shareware newsreader.
>
> Thoth, although good, being a time limited $$trialware didn't really
> appeal to me, when MT-NW was easily as good (and free). I didn't see
> the advantage.
>
> There was also a short-lived VA-NewsWatcher (Value Added-NewsWatcher)
> but it didn't develop much further than beyond it's initial release.

There is also Newswatcher-X cerated by the original Newswatcher
developer, which (like Thoth) runs under early versions of MacOS X or
can run under MacOS 9 with CarbonLib.
<https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/newswatcher-x>

On 2024-10-24 05:26:24 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2024-10-24 03:40:11 +0000, Mike Dee said:
>> super70s wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah I'm using MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 on my MDD, I used to use
>>> YA-NW but I switched to MT. Like you it's been so long I don't
>>> remember why but it was probably because MT was still being
>>> developed after YA gave up the ghost.
>>
>> Yes, though YA-NW ended after the developer Brian Clark, had created
>> Thoth, which became a popular Mac shareware newsreader.
>>
>> Thoth, although good, being a time limited $$trialware didn't really
>> appeal to me, when MT-NW was easily as good (and free). I didn't see
>> the advantage.
>>
>> There was also a short-lived VA-NewsWatcher (Value Added-NewsWatcher)
>> but it didn't develop much further than beyond it's initial release.
>
> There is also Newswatcher-X cerated by the original Newswatcher
> developer, which (like Thoth) runs under early versions of MacOS X or
> can run under MacOS 9 with CarbonLib.
> <https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/newswatcher-x>

Oops! That was meant to say it was created using the original
Newswatcher, not by the original developer. :-\

In article <XnsB211644C44815mikedee@emteedee.invalid>, Mike Dee
<mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>
> I'm more familiar with MT-NewsWatcher, but as both YA-NW and MT-NW
> are based on John Norstads original NewsWatcher, their user commands
> may be similar if not the same. MT-NW is unchanged from the original
> NewsWatcher commands.

Thanks. I'm using MT-NW now, v2.4.4, and the preferences are quite
different to YA-NW, and simpler for it. Setting to "Thread by reference"
has given me correctly nested articles in threads, something I've simply
been unable to achieve in YA-NW. I will take another look just to be sure
I haven't simply missed that setting, though...

> In NewsWatcher - options for re-reading or keeping read articles:
>
> 1). Open the group from the full group list instead of from your user
> group list. The full group list always shows all of the available
> articles on your server, whether you have read them or not.
>
> 2). In your user group list window. Use the Mark Unread command in
> the News menu to mark the entire group unread. Open the group.
> i.e.; Command + U = Mark Unread

OK, that's the way I've been doing it when I've wanted to find an older
article I've already read. Only downside is that everything is, of course,
then marked unread. I'm sure there good reasons at the time for their to
not need to be a simple "Keep Read Posts" option, but it's somewhat
bizarre to me!

I'm going to keep using MT-NW for a while, see how I like it. It doesn't
feel a million miles away from YA-NW, as to be expected, but if proper
threading isn't ever going to be an option in YA-NW, then I'll be sticking
with MT.

In article <super70s-5C1684.11372820102024@reader.eternal-september.org>,
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

> In article <XnsB211644C44815mikedee@emteedee.invalid>,
> Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Not sure about your 2nd querie, re threading. MT-NW seems to do this
> > OK, but maybe it's a matter of what I'm comfortable with. And I
> > haven't tried YA-NW in 20+ years, so don't remember how/if it
> > differed.
>
> Yeah I'm using MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 on my MDD

I'm going to give that version a whirl, too, see how it compares to 2.4.4,
which I'm using at the moment.

I personnally use Netscape 4.8 on my G3 PDQ

scole wrote:

> So, I'm using YA-NewsWatcher, and I quite like it, but there's two
> things that bug the hell out of me that I can't figure out how to fix
> in its preferences.
>
> First, I'd like to keep read posts; at the moment, when I load a group
> and read posts, when I close and save, the read posts are not visible
> the next time I visit. In more modern newsreaders, there's been the
> choice to keep or discard read posts, but I can't find such a setting
> in YA-NW. Is there one?
>
> Secondly, threading; posts are gathered into threads, but the threads
> aren;t properly threaded, all follow-ups are nested beneath the
> original post, which makes it awkward to easily navigate the thread and
> follow the conversation. Again, other newsreaders I've used on OSX
> provide proper threading. Can I make YA-NW act like this?
>
> What other OS9-compatible newsreaders are there that I can configure
> like above? I've used Thoth recently but it was pretty buggy and prone
> to crashing (although that might be more the fault of the OS9 install I
> had then, which was an absolute mess). I used MT-NewsWatcher some years
> ago but can't remember if it behaved differently on these aspects than
> YA-NW does.
>
> Would appreciate any reccomendations for a better Usenet experience. :)

scole wrote:

> So, I'm using YA-NewsWatcher, and I quite like it, but there's two
> things that bug the hell out of me that I can't figure out how to fix
> in its preferences.
>
> First, I'd like to keep read posts; at the moment, when I load a group
> and read posts, when I close and save, the read posts are not visible
> the next time I visit. In more modern newsreaders, there's been the
> choice to keep or discard read posts, but I can't find such a setting
> in YA-NW. Is there one?
>
> Secondly, threading; posts are gathered into threads, but the threads
> aren;t properly threaded, all follow-ups are nested beneath the
> original post, which makes it awkward to easily navigate the thread and
> follow the conversation. Again, other newsreaders I've used on OSX
> provide proper threading. Can I make YA-NW act like this?
>
> What other OS9-compatible newsreaders are there that I can configure
> like above? I've used Thoth recently but it was pretty buggy and prone
> to crashing (although that might be more the fault of the OS9 install I
> had then, which was an absolute mess). I used MT-NewsWatcher some years
> ago but can't remember if it behaved differently on these aspects than
> YA-NW does.
>
> Would appreciate any reccomendations for a better Usenet experience. :)