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Subject: Search engine suggestions
From: super70s
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Subject: Search engine suggestions
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Sadly it appears DuckDuckGo has just quit supporting my Tiger running
TenFourFox.

I switched to DDG after StartPage (which I use on my more modern Macs)
quit supporting the system a year or so ago.

Google and Bing are reachable in TFF so I went with Bing, anybody but
The Evil Google!

Anybody have any other suggestions for a search engine on vintage Macs?
Preferably one that respects your privacy like StartPage and DDG.

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: Sebastian P.
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From: info@cornica.org (Sebastian P.)
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Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
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In article <v69f2b$3d9h3$1@dont-email.me>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid>
wrote:

> Sadly it appears DuckDuckGo has just quit supporting my Tiger running
> TenFourFox.
>
> I switched to DDG after StartPage (which I use on my more modern Macs)
> quit supporting the system a year or so ago.
>
> Google and Bing are reachable in TFF so I went with Bing, anybody but
> The Evil Google!
>
> Anybody have any other suggestions for a search engine on vintage Macs?
> Preferably one that respects your privacy like StartPage and DDG.

I like using retrosearch.org. It parses a website's content and returns the
plain text. You do, however, also get the original URL with each search result,
so you decide if you like the text-only version or JavaScript hell.

And then there's the lovely wiby.org, which is a search engine for the
uncommerial / personal web. Think of the WWW in 1999. If you're looking for the
fanpage / enthusiast type of site that Google ditched years ago from its search
results, this is the place to go. Also takes user submissions and offers a nice
"surprise me" feature.

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: super70s
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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
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On 2024-07-08 04:05:37 +0000, Sebastian P. said:

> In article <v69f2b$3d9h3$1@dont-email.me>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Sadly it appears DuckDuckGo has just quit supporting my Tiger running
>> TenFourFox.
>>
>> I switched to DDG after StartPage (which I use on my more modern Macs)
>> quit supporting the system a year or so ago.
>>
>> Google and Bing are reachable in TFF so I went with Bing, anybody but
>> The Evil Google!
>>
>> Anybody have any other suggestions for a search engine on vintage Macs?
>> Preferably one that respects your privacy like StartPage and DDG.
>
> I like using retrosearch.org. It parses a website's content and returns the
> plain text. You do, however, also get the original URL with each search result,
> so you decide if you like the text-only version or JavaScript hell.
>
> And then there's the lovely wiby.org, which is a search engine for the
> uncommerial / personal web. Think of the WWW in 1999. If you're looking for the
> fanpage / enthusiast type of site that Google ditched years ago from its search
> results, this is the place to go. Also takes user submissions and offers a nice
> "surprise me" feature.

Seems wilby.org is redirecting to Bing when I try it on my Mojave
system, what the hell is that about.

I think I'll start using RetroSearch on my Tiger, it's a barebones
interface that TFF can easily handle and it appears the results are
from DDG indirectly. And super fast. Thanks for that tip.

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: Scott Alfter
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In article <v69f2b$3d9h3$1@dont-email.me>,
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>Sadly it appears DuckDuckGo has just quit supporting my Tiger running
>TenFourFox.
>
>I switched to DDG after StartPage (which I use on my more modern Macs)
>quit supporting the system a year or so ago.
>
>Google and Bing are reachable in TFF so I went with Bing, anybody but
>The Evil Google!
>
>Anybody have any other suggestions for a search engine on vintage Macs?
>Preferably one that respects your privacy like StartPage and DDG.

How about a SearXNG instance? It proxies your requests to the search
engines you select, and its interface seems like it ought to work on older
devices. I run my own instance (it's pretty easy to do if you're familiar
with Docker), but there's also a list of public instances that you could try
out to see if it'd work for you:

https://searx.space/

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Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: super70s
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 12:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
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In article <YL_iO.80069$Gqcd.44669@fx18.iad>,
scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) wrote:

> In article <v69f2b$3d9h3$1@dont-email.me>,
> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
> >Sadly it appears DuckDuckGo has just quit supporting my Tiger running
> >TenFourFox.
> >
> >I switched to DDG after StartPage (which I use on my more modern Macs)
> >quit supporting the system a year or so ago.
> >
> >Google and Bing are reachable in TFF so I went with Bing, anybody but
> >The Evil Google!
> >
> >Anybody have any other suggestions for a search engine on vintage Macs?
> >Preferably one that respects your privacy like StartPage and DDG.
>
> How about a SearXNG instance? It proxies your requests to the search
> engines you select, and its interface seems like it ought to work on older
> devices. I run my own instance (it's pretty easy to do if you're familiar
> with Docker), but there's also a list of public instances that you could try
> out to see if it'd work for you:
>
> https://searx.space/

The list of "instances" isn't loading (just the top menu) but the first
one, https://search.inetol.net/, loads and works OK.

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: Sebastian P.
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.vintage
Organization: cornica.org - Quicktime archive
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:48 UTC
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Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
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In article <v6geme$r4q7$1@dont-email.me>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid>
wrote:

> On 2024-07-08 04:05:37 +0000, Sebastian P. said:
>
> > In article <v69f2b$3d9h3$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
> > <super70s@super70s.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
>
> Seems wilby.org is redirecting to Bing when I try it on my Mojave
> system, what the hell is that about.
>

That's odd, it shouldn't do that. You'll definitely want Wiby. Please try

https://wiby.me

does that work for you?

I love wiby for it allows for real web-surfing. Or at least enough of it to get
lost in. At least it makes the world bigger - as opposed to the suffocation I
keep feeling in the FAANG matrix. There's also a setting that allows to filter
for http compatible sites if you're using really old computers.

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: super70s
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On 2024-07-22 10:48:53 +0000, Sebastian P. said:

> In article <v6geme$r4q7$1@dont-email.me>, super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-07-08 04:05:37 +0000, Sebastian P. said:
>>
>>> In article <v69f2b$3d9h3$1@dont-email.me>, super70s
>>> <super70s@super70s.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> Seems wilby.org is redirecting to Bing when I try it on my Mojave
>> system, what the hell is that about.
>>
>
> That's odd, it shouldn't do that.

It isn't now but it was on the 20th.

> You'll definitely want Wiby. Please try
>
> https://wiby.me
>
> does that work for you?

Wilby.me looks fine in Mojave but in Tiger it's some kind of "WordPress
Sample Site," lol.

Wilby.org in Tiger is just a spinning circle that never connects.

I think those boys have some work to do if they want be backward compatible.

> I love wiby for it allows for real web-surfing. Or at least enough of it to get
> lost in. At least it makes the world bigger - as opposed to the suffocation I
> keep feeling in the FAANG matrix.

> There's also a setting that allows to filter for http compatible sites
> if you're
> using really old computers.

First I'd have to be able to get there with Tiger/TenFourFox.

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
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In article <v7m51e$oemm$1@dont-email.me>,
super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

> First I'd have to be able to get there with Tiger/TenFourFox.

Recently, I was pointed towards this page, "A look at search engines
with their own indexes":
https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/

And from there to a search engine called "Mojeek",
https://www.mojeek.com/

I'm now using Mojeek in Tiger/TenFourFox, it might be suitable for you.

--
Dee

Subject: Re: Search engine suggestions
From: super70s
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In article <mikedee-691FD0.12442629072024@news.eternal-september.org>,
Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.net> wrote:

> In article <v7m51e$oemm$1@dont-email.me>,
> super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
> > First I'd have to be able to get there with Tiger/TenFourFox.
>
> Recently, I was pointed towards this page, "A look at search engines
> with their own indexes":
> https://seirdy.one/posts/2021/03/10/search-engines-with-own-indexes/
>
> And from there to a search engine called "Mojeek",
> https://www.mojeek.com/
>
> I'm now using Mojeek in Tiger/TenFourFox, it might be suitable for you.

That one seems to work well in TFF and they emphasize no tracking.

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