In article <1mfir0f.jy70yt1o7i87jN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson
<dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> > > >> >> >> > I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets
> > > >> >> >> > even less traffic than this one (if possible).
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Claris did not buy Filemaker.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > yes they did, from nashoba systems
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You are grossly misinformed.
> > > >>
> > > >> > you're grossly ignorant.
> > > >>
> > > >> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
> > > >> > In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and
> > > >> > quickly
> > > >>
> > > >> Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of
> > > >> Apple.
> > > >> Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.
> > >
> > > > nonsense,
> > >
> > > Not at all.
> >
> > it is nonsense. claris was independently managed and they can (and did)
> > buy several products, filemaker being one of them.
>
> AppleWorks GS is another which comes to mind (from personal experience,
> it happened the year after I got my Apple IIgs). It was previously being
> developed by a different company as "GSWorks". Wikipedia reminds me that
> the original developer was StyleWare. That was in 1988, the same year
> that FileMaker was acquired by Claris and re-released as FileMaker II.

yep.

<http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/bob/clarisworks.php>
Meanwhile, Apple had formed a software subsidiary, named Claris, to
develop and market application software. Initially Claris sold
MacWrite, MacPaint, and MacDraw, for the Macintosh, and AppleWorks,
for the Apple II. (The original plan was that Claris would become
completely independent from Apple someday, and go public. But that
never happened.)
Naturally Claris was interested in this forthcoming AppleWorks-like
program for the IIGS. In 1988, Claris bought StyleWare, moved the
development team to its offices in Santa Clara, and rechristened
GSWorks as AppleWorks GS. (I was already living in the SF bay area by
then: I'd moved out in 1987 to be with my fiancé, Liz Harding, who
was in grad school at Berkeley.)

> > > In fact, the purchase of FileMaker and the spinning out of
> > > Claris were nearly synchronous events. Without the purchase of FileMaker
> > > Claris would never have been spunout because the whole reason for
> > > creating Claris was to continue to sell FileMaker to PC users.
> >
> > more revisionist history.
>
> "Continue" to sell FileMaker to PC users? Claris _introduced_ FileMaker
> to Windows, with FileMaker Pro 2.0 in 1992, four years and two versions
> after Claris acquired FileMaker. All earlier versions using the
> "FileMaker" name (including those written by Nashoba Systems) were Mac
> only.

yep.

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:14:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
> <http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/bob/clarisworks.php>
> Meanwhile, Apple had formed a software subsidiary, named Claris, to
> develop and market application software. Initially Claris sold
> MacWrite, MacPaint, and MacDraw, for the Macintosh, and AppleWorks,

offtopic, but MacDraw was such an excellent application. I am so sorry
that there has been that little progress in improving drawing
applications since - especially looking at the lack of proper drawing
capabilites within MS Word, Libe/Openoffice etc.

The proper concepts of aligning, grouping, moving were just so natural
and obvious to use. And copy/paste to other documents, or scaling where
excellent that time. I even could take a ruler on the screen of my
Mac Classic, up to the Powerbook 190 (which I liked more than the
5something), in order to measure and position anything.

Same was true that time for FMP.

Is there anything as good by current standards, as MacDraw was that
time? I'd vote for Sketchup - which is a perfectly different, but
excellent to use 3D app. But I don't know any for Mac (knowing not much
more than e.g. Intaglio, just wondering why 2.9.4 still works with
10.10, but 3.1 doesn't).

FMP evolved a lot since, too. The concept of relations was one of the
most significant real improvements. But whatever came since was useful
many times, but not such a major thing as I feel since my experience of
FileMaker II and its great usefulness.
For my daily data work I still expect most a proper spreadsheet like
operation for multi cell copy/paste and a (scriptable?) option to toggle
instant resort, which is somehow useful, but on data massage a
pain-in-the-ass many times.

I don't like the direction FMP is moving towards nowadays. It still
lacks major drawing capabilites (now speaking of MacDraw again?), of
more powerful chart functions - or a proper data input handling, with
full tracking which field was entered when from what to what, offering
the option to undo certain of the modifications.

The "replace" operation is one of the most powerful options, but
it's still one of the most dangerous things, too, to lose your data. And
the replace operation still lacks a kind of history management, as e.g.
TextWrangler does for search/replace

- Martin

In article <slrnn72727.3kn.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin
?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:14:54 -0500, nospam wrote:
> > <http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/bob/clarisworks.php>
> > Meanwhile, Apple had formed a software subsidiary, named Claris, to
> > develop and market application software. Initially Claris sold
> > MacWrite, MacPaint, and MacDraw, for the Macintosh, and AppleWorks,
>
> offtopic, but MacDraw was such an excellent application. I am so sorry
> that there has been that little progress in improving drawing
> applications since - especially looking at the lack of proper drawing
> capabilites within MS Word, Libe/Openoffice etc.
>
> The proper concepts of aligning, grouping, moving were just so natural
> and obvious to use. And copy/paste to other documents, or scaling where
> excellent that time. I even could take a ruler on the screen of my
> Mac Classic, up to the Powerbook 190 (which I liked more than the
> 5something), in order to measure and position anything.
>
> Same was true that time for FMP.
>
> Is there anything as good by current standards, as MacDraw was that
> time? I'd vote for Sketchup - which is a perfectly different, but
> excellent to use 3D app. But I don't know any for Mac (knowing not much
> more than e.g. Intaglio, just wondering why 2.9.4 still works with
> 10.10, but 3.1 doesn't).
<snip>

Not quite the same as the excellent MacDraw / ClarisDraw (which I still
use from time to time), but there is possibly EazyDraw, OmniGraffle,
MacDraft, Intaglio as you mentioned, Adobe Illustrator, Inkscape, plus
a few CAD applications and "room design" apps.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:59:04 +1300, Your Name wrote:
> > Is there anything as good by current standards, as MacDraw was that
> > time? I'd vote for Sketchup - which is a perfectly different, but
> > excellent to use 3D app. But I don't know any for Mac (knowing not much
> > more than e.g. Intaglio, just wondering why 2.9.4 still works with
> > 10.10, but 3.1 doesn't).
> <snip>
>
> Not quite the same as the excellent MacDraw / ClarisDraw (which I still
> use from time to time), but there is possibly EazyDraw, OmniGraffle,
> MacDraft, Intaglio as you mentioned, Adobe Illustrator, Inkscape, plus
> a few CAD applications and "room design" apps.

I tried OmniGraffle and Inkscape. They are not as good as MacDraw, 25
years later! I should add proper SVG support to the list of expected
functionallity. Whenever I tried to save as SVG and open again, things
were messed up.

Thanks for the other suggestions - I'll have a further look.

- Martin