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Subject: Re: Do you use a password manager?
From: gtr
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On Jul 12, 2021 at 1:53:00 AM PDT, "Unbreakable Disease"
<unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:

> My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
> anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here including
> my financial passwords and credit card data, with the exception of
> passwords that I would have to remember anyway (full-disk encryption,
> login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
>
> Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
> complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple passwords
> you use every month or even less.
>
> I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
> exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't used
> one since Windows 95 days.

I have the older version (non-subscription) of 1Password, but also make use of
the keychain password manager and the manager built-in to Safari (I use Safari
on both the mac and the ipad/iphone).

Only lately, when I'm offered a complex "strong password" of jibberish, I take
it. That's working well too.

But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
words (for instance ArchBasket with a few numbers, 245, then the first two
letters of the intended website, for instance AMazon. Then I use this same
password everywhere, with the exception of those last two letters.
ArchBasket245am, for Powell's books: ArchBasket245po.

It's easy to remember.

Subject: Re: Do you use a password manager?
From: Siri Cruise
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In article <stp7fn$tn4$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
wrote:

> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized

merde d'oie.

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Subject: Re: Do you use a password manager?
From: El Kabong
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gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On Jul 12, 2021 at 1:53:00 AM PDT, "Unbreakable Disease"
> <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
>
> > My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
> > anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here including
> > my financial passwords and credit card data, with the exception of
> > passwords that I would have to remember anyway (full-disk encryption,
> > login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
> >
> > Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
> > complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple passwords
> > you use every month or even less.
> >
> > I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
> > exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't used
> > one since Windows 95 days.
>
> I have the older version (non-subscription) of 1Password, but also make use of
> the keychain password manager and the manager built-in to Safari (I use Safari
> on both the mac and the ipad/iphone).
>
> Only lately, when I'm offered a complex "strong password" of jibberish, I take
> it. That's working well too.
>
> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
> words (for instance ArchBasket with a few numbers, 245, then the first two
> letters of the intended website, for instance AMazon. Then I use this same
> password everywhere, with the exception of those last two letters.
> ArchBasket245am, for Powell's books: ArchBasket245po.
>
> It's easy to remember.

With the latter system, if someone ever found out your
Powell's password (say, a rogue Powell admin), they might
easily guess your amazon & other passwords from that.

Also, if you should occasionally change a password, what
are you going to change it to? Your system doesn't allow
a lot of variation.

(i keep passwords in an encrypted excel file. Excel
always works, and it's safe for cloud storage.)

Subject: Re: Do you use a password manager?
From: The Real Bev
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On 02/06/2022 06:21 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> In article <stp7fn$tn4$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
> wrote:
>
>> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
>
> merde d'oie.

The American version would be merde de cheval or possibly merde de
poulet, depending on the nature of the merde.

--
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Subject: Re: Do you use a password manager?
From: Siri Cruise
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In article <sts850$dbi$2@dont-email.me>,
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/06/2022 06:21 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> > In article <stp7fn$tn4$1@dont-email.me>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
> >
> > merde d'oie.
>
> The American version would be merde de cheval or possibly merde de
> poulet, depending on the nature of the merde.

Or the Fountainhead. One of Toohey's disciples uses it in faux
brave nonconformist fashion pretending he is so brave saying
birdshit evem though nobody undrstsnds him to be outrwaged. this
contrasts to Roark who would just say burdsghit without nrrding
to outrage or shock.

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Subject: Re: Do you use a password manager?
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On Feb 6, 2022 at 10:16:31 PM PST, "El Kabong" <twang@the.noodle> wrote:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 12, 2021 at 1:53:00 AM PDT, "Unbreakable Disease"
>> <unbreakable@secmail.pro> wrote:
>>
>>> My 50-year old brain isn't capable of memorizing that many passwords
>>> anymore, so I use KeePassXC. I keep basically everything here including
>>> my financial passwords and credit card data, with the exception of
>>> passwords that I would have to remember anyway (full-disk encryption,
>>> login, primary e-mail passwords, etc.)
>>>
>>> Overall, it's much easier to remember and much harder to forget 10
>>> complicated passwords that you use everyday than 100+ simple passwords
>>> you use every month or even less.
>>>
>>> I can't speak about Windows version of KeePass, because with the
>>> exception of playing games not available on Macintosh, I haven't used
>>> one since Windows 95 days.
>>
>> I have the older version (non-subscription) of 1Password, but also make use of
>> the keychain password manager and the manager built-in to Safari (I use Safari
>> on both the mac and the ipad/iphone).
>>
>> Only lately, when I'm offered a complex "strong password" of jibberish, I take
>> it. That's working well too.
>>
>> But I also use a variation on the same password: I selected two capitalized
>> words (for instance ArchBasket with a few numbers, 245, then the first two
>> letters of the intended website, for instance AMazon. Then I use this same
>> password everywhere, with the exception of those last two letters.
>> ArchBasket245am, for Powell's books: ArchBasket245po.
>>
>> It's easy to remember.
>
> With the latter system, if someone ever found out your
> Powell's password (say, a rogue Powell admin), they might
> easily guess your amazon & other passwords from that.

I don't think it's a significant risk. But there is no system that is free of
risk. I usually ask myself, who can I imagine would crack the code? A rogue
Powell's employee? Okay. What would their nefarious plan be? Ordering
something from Amazon and diverting it to their home? Okay.

Most of the time I go through any of these .001% possibiities, I'm rarely
intimidated by it. I just can't imagine someone would pick me to highjack for
idle felony purchases via Amazon.

> Also, if you should occasionally change a password, what
> are you going to change it to? Your system doesn't allow
> a lot of variation.

My system allows for more than the two words I've indicated. ArchBasket245, if
a system demands a change becomes BasketClub356, then ClubDragon467. See the
nature of the changes?

Over the years its changed in other ways too. So various passwords adhere to
different rules as they morph through life. Still--I've got a 75% chance of
guessing right the first time, and 100% chance by the third try. It's good
enough for me.

> (i keep passwords in an encrypted excel file. Excel
> always works, and it's safe for cloud storage.)

But of course this system has the potential for problems, though they may
become more and more rare.

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