Years ago when I tried to log in to the Apple support forums, my account
password was repeatedly rejected. I reset it. Later, I found that when
asked for my account password for other purposes, the new one didn't
work and the old one did. Apple had insisted that my account have two
passwords, depending on what I wanted.

Today I migrated to an M4 Mini. Afterward, the old computer demanded
that I log into my Apple account. It didn't do autofill, but I found it
in Passwords.

Mail App wouldn't log in to my POP server. Spectrum told me to reach out
to Apple. Apple's site required my account password to get any
information. It rejected the password I'd used a few minutes ago. I
opened Passwords to be sure I had it just right and found that my
passwords hadn't migrated.

My old Mini seemed to have all my passwords but my Apple password, which
had disappeared in the last few minutes! Fortunately I had a tested copy
in print. Again and again it failed.

I clicked to say I'd forgotten my password. I changed my password, and
the new one didn't work, either. The Safari popup clearly asked for my
Apple Account Password, but finally I tried my user password for my Mac,
and I got right in.

I hadn't known Apple even knew my user password. If they wanted it, why
didn't they say so?

That was a lot of trouble to get to a couple of print tips. The first
was to delete the Mail account and start a new one with the same server
and address. Oh no, I'd been led to do that before and it meant a hassle
with mail boxes.

The second should have been suggested first because it was so simple.
Disable and re-enable the account. That didn't work, but disabling,
restarting Mail, and re-enabling the account brought it online.

Meanwhile, after I changed my Apple Account password, Safari asked if I
wanted to save it. Yes. Then I checked Passwords. It was not my new
password, or the user password that got me in, but the old password.

Does Apple love to jerk the chains of Mac customers?

On 2024-11-10 17:00, J Burns wrote:
> Years ago when I tried to log in to the Apple support forums, my account
> password was repeatedly rejected. I reset it. Later, I found that when
> asked for my account password for other purposes, the new one didn't
> work and the old one did. Apple had insisted that my account have two
> passwords, depending on what I wanted.
>
> Today I migrated to an M4 Mini. Afterward, the old computer demanded
> that I log into my Apple account. It didn't do autofill, but I found it
> in Passwords.
>
> Mail App wouldn't log in to my POP server. Spectrum told me to reach out
> to Apple. Apple's site required my account password to get any
> information. It rejected the password I'd used a few minutes ago. I
> opened Passwords to be sure I had it just right and found that my
> passwords hadn't migrated.
>
> My old Mini seemed to have all my passwords but my Apple password, which
> had disappeared in the last few minutes! Fortunately I had a tested copy
> in print. Again and again it failed.
>
> I clicked to say I'd forgotten my password. I changed my password, and
> the new one didn't work, either. The Safari popup clearly asked for my
> Apple Account Password, but finally I tried my user password for my Mac,
> and I got right in.
>
> I hadn't known Apple even knew my user password. If they wanted it, why
> didn't they say so?
>
> That was a lot of trouble to get to a couple of print tips. The first
> was to delete the Mail account and start a new one with the same server
> and address. Oh no, I'd been led to do that before and it meant a hassle
> with mail boxes.
>
> The second should have been suggested first because it was so simple.
> Disable and re-enable the account. That didn't work, but disabling,
> restarting Mail, and re-enabling the account brought it online.
>
> Meanwhile, after I changed my Apple Account password, Safari asked if I
> wanted to save it. Yes. Then I checked Passwords. It was not my new
> password, or the user password that got me in, but the old password.
>
> Does Apple love to jerk the chains of Mac customers?
>
>

Get over yourself.

You've obviously had some problems but that's a far cry from your
conclusion.

You think no other company/entity has issues with accounts and passwords?

Just yesterday, the account I was using for Netflix just spontaneously
disappeared, and I'm going to have to check to make sure I'm not being
billed twice.

It happens.

On 11/10/24 8:09 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-10 17:00, J Burns wrote:
>> Years ago when I tried to log in to the Apple support forums, my
>> account password was repeatedly rejected. I reset it. Later, I found
>> that when asked for my account password for other purposes, the new
>> one didn't work and the old one did. Apple had insisted that my
>> account have two passwords, depending on what I wanted.
>>
>> Today I migrated to an M4 Mini. Afterward, the old computer demanded
>> that I log into my Apple account. It didn't do autofill, but I found
>> it in Passwords.
>>
>> Mail App wouldn't log in to my POP server. Spectrum told me to reach
>> out to Apple. Apple's site required my account password to get any
>> information. It rejected the password I'd used a few minutes ago. I
>> opened Passwords to be sure I had it just right and found that my
>> passwords hadn't migrated.
>>
>> My old Mini seemed to have all my passwords but my Apple password,
>> which had disappeared in the last few minutes! Fortunately I had a
>> tested copy in print. Again and again it failed.
>>
>> I clicked to say I'd forgotten my password. I changed my password, and
>> the new one didn't work, either. The Safari popup clearly asked for my
>> Apple Account Password, but finally I tried my user password for my
>> Mac, and I got right in.
>>
>> I hadn't known Apple even knew my user password. If they wanted it,
>> why didn't they say so?
>>
>> That was a lot of trouble to get to a couple of print tips. The first
>> was to delete the Mail account and start a new one with the same
>> server and address. Oh no, I'd been led to do that before and it meant
>> a hassle with mail boxes.
>>
>> The second should have been suggested first because it was so simple.
>> Disable and re-enable the account. That didn't work, but disabling,
>> restarting Mail, and re-enabling the account brought it online.
>>
>> Meanwhile, after I changed my Apple Account password, Safari asked if
>> I wanted to save it. Yes. Then I checked Passwords. It was not my new
>> password, or the user password that got me in, but the old password.
>>
>> Does Apple love to jerk the chains of Mac customers?
>>
>>
>
> Get over yourself.
>
> You've obviously had some problems but that's a far cry from your
> conclusion.
>
> You think no other company/entity has issues with accounts and passwords?
>
> Just yesterday, the account I was using for Netflix just spontaneously
> disappeared, and I'm going to have to check to make sure I'm not being
> billed twice.
>
> It happens.

Can't you find a Netflix forum?

1. If they weren't going to migrate passwords, they should have warned
the user to put them on iCloud.

2. Of 100 million Mac users, millions must have had trouble logging on
to mail servers, but Apple makes you jump through hoops to see a few tips.

3. They recommend the most drastic remedy first.

4. If they wanted my user password, why did the ask for my Apple Account
password?

5. Why did Safari save the old one and not the presumably current one?

If you think they could possibly be that stupid, I suggest you get over
it. Obviously they are a fun-loving crowd.

On 2024-11-10 17:38, J Burns wrote:
> On 11/10/24 8:09 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-10 17:00, J Burns wrote:
>>> Years ago when I tried to log in to the Apple support forums, my
>>> account password was repeatedly rejected. I reset it. Later, I found
>>> that when asked for my account password for other purposes, the new
>>> one didn't work and the old one did. Apple had insisted that my
>>> account have two passwords, depending on what I wanted.
>>>
>>> Today I migrated to an M4 Mini. Afterward, the old computer demanded
>>> that I log into my Apple account. It didn't do autofill, but I found
>>> it in Passwords.
>>>
>>> Mail App wouldn't log in to my POP server. Spectrum told me to reach
>>> out to Apple. Apple's site required my account password to get any
>>> information. It rejected the password I'd used a few minutes ago. I
>>> opened Passwords to be sure I had it just right and found that my
>>> passwords hadn't migrated.
>>>
>>> My old Mini seemed to have all my passwords but my Apple password,
>>> which had disappeared in the last few minutes! Fortunately I had a
>>> tested copy in print. Again and again it failed.
>>>
>>> I clicked to say I'd forgotten my password. I changed my password,
>>> and the new one didn't work, either. The Safari popup clearly asked
>>> for my Apple Account Password, but finally I tried my user password
>>> for my Mac, and I got right in.
>>>
>>> I hadn't known Apple even knew my user password. If they wanted it,
>>> why didn't they say so?
>>>
>>> That was a lot of trouble to get to a couple of print tips. The first
>>> was to delete the Mail account and start a new one with the same
>>> server and address. Oh no, I'd been led to do that before and it
>>> meant a hassle with mail boxes.
>>>
>>> The second should have been suggested first because it was so simple.
>>> Disable and re-enable the account. That didn't work, but disabling,
>>> restarting Mail, and re-enabling the account brought it online.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, after I changed my Apple Account password, Safari asked if
>>> I wanted to save it. Yes. Then I checked Passwords. It was not my new
>>> password, or the user password that got me in, but the old password.
>>>
>>> Does Apple love to jerk the chains of Mac customers?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Get over yourself.
>>
>> You've obviously had some problems but that's a far cry from your
>> conclusion.
>>
>> You think no other company/entity has issues with accounts and passwords?
>>
>> Just yesterday, the account I was using for Netflix just spontaneously
>> disappeared, and I'm going to have to check to make sure I'm not being
>> billed twice.
>>
>> It happens.
>
> Can't you find a Netflix forum?

I'm sure I can.

I was making a point.

>
> 1. If they weren't going to migrate passwords, they should have warned
> the user to put them on iCloud.

Dude: Keychain is still there.

>
> 2. Of 100 million Mac users, millions must have had trouble logging on
> to mail servers, but Apple makes you jump through hoops to see a few tips.

Sorry, but the fact that YOU had a problem doesn't prove that "millions"
had that problem.

(And I checked that "100 million Mac users" number and it doesn't look
very credible.)

>
> 3. They recommend the most drastic remedy first.

I don't know the full situation, so I can't speak to that.

>
> 4. If they wanted my user password, why did the ask for my Apple Account
> password?

Maybe you should make your narrative more explicity.

>
> 5. Why did Safari save the old one and not the presumably current one?

I don't know that that's what actually happened.

>
> If you think they could possibly be that stupid, I suggest you get over
> it. Obviously they are a fun-loving crowd.