On 01/11/2024 19:16, pothead wrote:
[....]
> Maybe I'm wrong?

Maybe you are! Did you explore here? https://developer.apple.com/forums/

I'm simply trying to confirm the validity of someone calling themselves,
a developer, but he can show only a single product to his name.

Please follow THIS thread:-

https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/757636

Thanks.

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David

On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
> On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>> If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
>>>>> he is.
>>>>
>>>> You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P
>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software
>>>>
>>>> Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....
>>>>
>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank
>>>>
>>>> Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!
>>>
>>> What makes you think his code is open source?
>>>
>>> Asking ChatGPT I get this:
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
>>> for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
>>> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> I'll wager he will not provide it!
>>>
>>> Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.
>>
>> From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
>> said ....
>>
>> ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
>> Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
>> that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//
>>
>> Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
>> of software.
>
> Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.

Yes - he HAS made mistakes!

Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
LinkedIn?
(That referred to open source' too).

> What makes you think you
> have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?

I'm a potential paying customer.

I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my
personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
purposes.

On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:19:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<lomu80Fnhd1U3@mid.individual.net>:

> On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
>> On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>>> If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
>>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
>>>>>> he is.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software
>>>>>
>>>>> Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....
>>>>>
>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank
>>>>>
>>>>> Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think his code is open source?
>>>>
>>>> Asking ChatGPT I get this:
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
>>>> for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
>>>> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll wager he will not provide it!
>>>>
>>>> Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.
>>>
>>> From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
>>> said ....
>>>
>>> ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
>>> Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
>>> that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//
>>>
>>> Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
>>> of software.
>>
>> Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.
>
> Yes - he HAS made mistakes!

Everyone has.
>
> Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
> LinkedIn?
> (That referred to open source' too).

Maybe he planned at one time to open it up. Does not matter. It is not open
source and you have no right to demand he make it so.
>
>> What makes you think you
>> have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?
>
> I'm a potential paying customer.

Irrelevant. I have paying customer. They have no right to know about my
personal or professional life.

So what makes you think you have any right to know ANYTHING about how personal
or professional life? No dodge this time.
>
> I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my
> personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
> purposes.

If you do not want to buy his product then don't. Stop attacking him.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 02/11/2024 17:01, Snit wrote:
> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:19:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lomu80Fnhd1U3@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
>>> On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>>>> If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
>>>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
>>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
>>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
>>>>>>> he is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!
>>>>>
>>>>> What makes you think his code is open source?
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking ChatGPT I get this:
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
>>>>> for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
>>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
>>>>> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
>>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll wager he will not provide it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.
>>>>
>>>> From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
>>>> said ....
>>>>
>>>> ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
>>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
>>>> Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
>>>> that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//
>>>>
>>>> Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
>>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
>>>> of software.
>>>
>>> Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.
>>
>> Yes - he HAS made mistakes!
>
> Everyone has.

Yes - YOU more than most it seems!

>> Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
>> LinkedIn?
>> (That referred to open source' too).
>
> Maybe he planned at one time to open it up. Does not matter. It is not open
> source and you have no right to demand he make it so.

Are you being deliberately dopey today?

It *WAS* "open sourse" - NOW, it is not.

>>> What makes you think you
>>> have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?
>>
>> I'm a potential paying customer.
>
> Irrelevant. I have paying customer. They have no right to know about my
> personal or professional life.

What product(s) do YOU sell? You've NEVER mentioned that before!

> So what makes you think you have any right to know ANYTHING about how personal
> or professional life? No dodge this time.

You told me about yours! Why did you do that?

>> I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my
>> personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
>> purposes.
>
> If you do not want to buy his product then don't. Stop attacking him.

He'll not get another penny out of me!

Now, tell me why he's SHOUTING here:- Message-ID:
<lomteqFnhd1U1@mid.individual.net>

Odd!

On Nov 2, 2024 at 11:21:39 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<lon8tjFp4mnU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 02/11/2024 17:01, Snit wrote:
>> On Nov 2, 2024 at 8:19:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lomu80Fnhd1U3@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 01/11/2024 13:52, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Nov 1, 2024 at 12:53:28 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lojfnoF7n0iU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/11/2024 03:24, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 31, 2024 at 5:20:04 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <loil5kF3nseU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31/10/2024 22:38, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>>>>>> If BDB weren't so daft in the head about how he 'interprets' JD and his
>>>>>>>> software that causes him to simply 'make things up' to misrepresent
>>>>>>>> anything he encounters in that sphere so as to appear delusional he
>>>>>>>> might be able to 'see things' like a normal person, instead of whatever
>>>>>>>> he is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are VERY rude, Mr Easter! :-P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_engineering#Software
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do, please, read the long post by "etresoft" here ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7474731?sortBy=rank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then ask him, *NOW*, for his "source code"!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes you think his code is open source?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking ChatGPT I get this:
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> No, EtreCheck is not open-source software. It’s a proprietary diagnostic tool
>>>>>> for macOS, created by Etresoft, Inc., primarily designed to help users
>>>>>> identify and troubleshoot performance issues on their Mac systems. While it
>>>>>> provides transparency in system diagnostics and has a free version with
>>>>>> limited features, the source code isn’t publicly available.
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll wager he will not provide it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given that it is no open source it would be weird if he opened the source.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the link I provided, which you obviously did not read, "etresoft"
>>>>> said ....
>>>>>
>>>>> ///Your claim that EtreCheck "does not offer the source code to look at"
>>>>> is false. Here is its Github project: GitHub - etresoft/EtreCheck:
>>>>> Source code for EtreCheck. The source includes an Xcode project file
>>>>> that can be used to compile EtreCheck on any recent Mac with Xcode.//
>>>>>
>>>>> Until someone can explain how the developer of EtreCheck, "John Daniel",
>>>>> makes a living, I will forever be suspicious of his apparently SOLE item
>>>>> of software.
>>>>
>>>> Does look like he has an error there. Fair enough.
>>>
>>> Yes - he HAS made mistakes!
>>
>> Everyone has.
>
> Yes - YOU more than most it seems!

The more you push yourself the more mistakes you make. Also the more
successes. The most successful people make the most mistakes.
>
>>> Did you see my recent post containing a screenshot of his persona on
>>> LinkedIn?
>>> (That referred to open source' too).
>>
>> Maybe he planned at one time to open it up. Does not matter. It is not open
>> source and you have no right to demand he make it so.
>
> Are you being deliberately dopey today?
>
> It *WAS* "open sourse" - NOW, it is not.

Then the old code still is. You can look at that. But I do not follow the app.
Don't really care about it.
>
>>>> What makes you think you
>>>> have a right to know ANYTHING about his personal or financial life?
>>>
>>> I'm a potential paying customer.
>>
>> Irrelevant. I have paying customer. They have no right to know about my
>> personal or professional life.
>
> What product(s) do YOU sell? You've NEVER mentioned that before!

Why the jump to products? But I have sold videos on DVD and online. And it has
been discussed before. Also have sold other products... some crafts I have
made, etc.

>
>> So what makes you think you have any right to know ANYTHING about how personal
>> or professional life? No dodge this time.
>
> You told me about yours! Why did you do that?

Personal choice. Not obligation.
>
>>> I want to make sure that the product is not simply a scam to collect my
>>> personal details. THAT information could then be used for nefarious
>>> purposes.
>>
>> If you do not want to buy his product then don't. Stop attacking him.
>
> He'll not get another penny out of me!

That is fine. You are not obligated to buy his products. Just like my
customers are not obligated to buy my services.
>
> Now, tell me why he's SHOUTING here:- Message-ID:
> <lomteqFnhd1U1@mid.individual.net>
>
> Odd!

What makes you see it as odd? I asked ChatGPT:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
The all-caps format in this type of legal agreement is a traditional approach
to emphasize sections that companies want to make especially noticeable, such
as liability disclaimers or warranty information. Before digital formatting
became standard, all caps was a simple way to ensure certain provisions caught
attention without more sophisticated ways to differentiate text. Now, it’s
simply carried forward as a convention, especially when it’s important that
users see and understand those parts—usually involving limitations on
liability, disclaimers, or critical terms.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.