On 2022-02-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.software Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> > In comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2022-02-18, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> >> > Hello.
>> >> >
>> >> > How do I tell mac OS Big Sur v11.6.4 to never sleep when using
>> >> > in a 2020 Intel MBP? I only want to set this as a test since I'm
>> >> > trying to figure out why this MBP crashes when waking up after
>> >> > sleeping once in a while. So far on power AC connection, it
>> >> > never crashes with sleep disabled. macOS Big Sur v11.6.(3&4)
>> >> > doesn't have an option to do that. I only can disable its power
>> >> > nap and display sleep.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
>> >
>> >> There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver
>> >> called "Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the
>> >> display is off". Enabling that option will cause the computer to
>> >> stay awake even when the display sleeps.
>> >
>> > Display sleep is OK, but I was talking about system's sleep. This
>> > one I don't want to sleep at all.
>
>> Then you should be good to go.
>
> But https://i.imgur.com/1LmSzMK.png doesn't show an option to make
> system not sleep.

Because, as Lewis already told you, you cannot disable sleep when
battery power, since battery power is naturally limited. Do you not
understand that battery power is not limitless?

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In message <fcCdnSrpDY8eyYz_nZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>> In message <j7c8ieFh482U2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> > Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
>> > macOS.

>> Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.

>> #v+
>> $ which caffeinate
>> /usr/bin/caffeinate
>> $ uname -a
>> Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
>> #v-

> I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

Exactly HOW did you try it?

Did you read the man page?

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In message <slrnt13qv6.2no3.g.kreme@zephyrus.local> Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <fcCdnSrpDY8eyYz_nZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>> In message <j7c8ieFh482U2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> > Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
>>> > macOS.

>>> Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.

>>> #v+
>>> $ which caffeinate
>>> /usr/bin/caffeinate
>>> $ uname -a
>>> Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
>>> #v-

>> I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

> Exactly HOW did you try it?

> Did you read the man page?

I started up a vim session and then got the PID of it. Then I did

caffeinate -w <PID>

I left the laptop alone for 20m (double the 10m setting) and when I came
back it had not gone to sleep.

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In comp.sys.mac.software Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-02-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.software Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> On 2022-02-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >> > In comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> On 18/02/2022 21:50, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >> >> > On 2022-02-18, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> >> >> >> Hello.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> How do I tell mac OS Big Sur v11.6.4 to never sleep when using in a 2020
> >> >> >> Intel MBP? I only want to set this as a test since I'm trying to figure
> >> >> >> out why this MBP crashes when waking up after sleeping once in a while.
> >> >> >> So far on power AC connection, it never crashes with sleep disabled.
> >> >> >> macOS Big Sur v11.6.(3&4) doesn't have an option to do that. I only can
> >> >> >> disable its power nap and display sleep.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There should be an option in System Preferences > Energy Saver called
> >> >> > "Prevent your Mac from automatically sleeping when the display is off".
> >> >> > Enabling that option will cause the computer to stay awake even when the
> >> >> > display sleeps.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you want the display to never sleep, set the "Turn display off after"
> >> >> > setting to "Never". If you do that, it's probably best to make sure you
> >> >> > have a screen saver enabled too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Otherwise, as the saying goes, "There's an app for that". I've used
> >> >> > Amphetamine for years to prevent sleep when certain apps or processes
> >> >> > are running, and it's a nice tool to have handy for such a thing:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12>
> >> >
> >> >> Interesting. I'd not happened across this before.
> >> >
> >> >> Do you also recommend THIS facility?
> >> >
> >> >> https://github.com/x74353/Amphetamine-Enhancer
> >> >
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app store),
> >> > but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App Store. I
> >> > wonder why not offer from Github too?
> >
> >> That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
> >> Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )
> >
> > I saw that, but why doesn't original Amphetamine have a downloadable
> > version from GitHub instead of App Store?

> Because the developer wants it to be available on the App Store. Is
> there an actual problem here, or are you just trying to manufacture one
> out of thin air?>

Yes, because I'm old school and still prefer to download outside of stores.
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In comp.sys.mac.software Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <fcCdnSrpDY8eyYz_nZ2dnUU7-S2dnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> >> In message <j7c8ieFh482U2@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> > Unfortunately, caffeinate doesn't work anymore with modern versions of
> >> > macOS.

> >> Really? It's still in macOS 12.3, though I can't say I've ever used it.

> >> #v+
> >> $ which caffeinate
> >> /usr/bin/caffeinate
> >> $ uname -a
> >> Darwin Zephyrus.local 21.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 21.4.0: Mon Feb 7 21:32:19 PST 2022; root:xnu-8020.100.429.131.1~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T8101 arm64
> >> #v-

> > I tried it, but it doesn't seem to work.

> Exactly HOW did you try it?

> Did you read the man page?

I ran caffeinate (without any parameters) in Terminal as shown in its man:
"DESCRIPTION
caffeinate creates assertions to alter system sleep behavior. If no
assertion flags are specified, caffeinate creates an assertion to prevent
idle sleep..."

Basically, I don't want MBP to sleep.
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On 2022-02-20, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.software Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-02-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.mac.software Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-02-19, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ooh. Interesting that Enhancer is from GitHub (not Apple's app
>>>>> store), but it requires the original Amphetamine from Apple's App
>>>>> Store. I wonder why not offer from Github too?
>>>
>>>> That's explained on the same page under the "Why is a Separate App
>>>> Needed?" heading... Try reading it. ; )
>>>
>>> I saw that, but why doesn't original Amphetamine have a downloadable
>>> version from GitHub instead of App Store?
>
>> Because the developer wants it to be available on the App Store. Is
>> there an actual problem here, or are you just trying to manufacture
>> one out of thin air?>
>
> Yes, because I'm old school and still prefer to download outside of
> stores.

Yes, you have an irrational aversion to "new" things people have used
for years, like App Stores, iCloud, and so on - even at your own
expense. The world is changing, Dino Ant. Keep up or go back into the
ground. The world will continue to spin either way. ; )

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