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* How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesAndrew
+* Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesJörg Lorenz
|+* Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesAlan
||`* Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesAnt
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|| `- Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesJörg Lorenz
|`* Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesSten deJoode
| +- Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesAlan
| `- Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesJörg Lorenz
`- Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differencesAlan

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Subject: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
From: Andrew
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
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Subject: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18
https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2

Fundamentally iMessage is an internet-based service that delivers your
messages via Apple's servers which means it doesn't work most of the time
unless you have all the myriad requirements (and which is why most of the
world shuns Apple devices as only working in the richest countries).

RCS, on the other hand, is a carrier-based service and works everywhere the
carrier supports it (without needing the net just to do anything useful).

In other words, if you want it to work, don't use the Apple walled garden.

Worse, the article explains that Apple (again!) murdered privacy, saying:
"Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a
connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
with other RCS users," the company notes."

--
Apple mostly sells to people who do not understand the technology.

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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From: hugybear@gmx.net (Jörg Lorenz)
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Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key
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On 23.09.24 05:10, Andrew wrote:
> How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18
> https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2
>
> Fundamentally iMessage is an internet-based service that delivers your
> messages via Apple's servers which means it doesn't work most of the time
> unless you have all the myriad requirements (and which is why most of the
> world shuns Apple devices as only working in the richest countries).
>
> RCS, on the other hand, is a carrier-based service and works everywhere the
> carrier supports it (without needing the net just to do anything useful).
>
> In other words, if you want it to work, don't use the Apple walled garden.
>
> Worse, the article explains that Apple (again!) murdered privacy, saying:
> "Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
> and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a
> connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
> but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
> and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
> with other RCS users," the company notes."

Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another
messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all
encryptions or even doesn't have any.

*LOL*

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
From: Alan
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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On 2024-09-22 20:10, Andrew wrote:
> How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18
> https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-
> to-text-android-users-3482571/#2
>
> Fundamentally iMessage is an internet-based service that delivers your

True. iMessage is an internet-based service.

> messages via Apple's servers which means it doesn't work most of the time
> unless you have all the myriad requirements (and which is why most of the
> world shuns Apple devices as only working in the richest countries).
> RCS, on the other hand, is a carrier-based service and works everywhere the
> carrier supports it (without needing the net just to do anything useful).

False:

'RCS has been designed as an industry open standard[2][3] to provide
improved capabilities over basic text messaging, based on the Internet
Protocol (IP).'

'Network dependency. A key difference between RCS and SMS is that SMS
sends messages over the cellular network, while RCS content requires
data connectivity before it can be transmitted.'

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key
From: Alan
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> On 23.09.24 05:10, Andrew wrote:
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>> In other words, if you want it to work, don't use the Apple walled garden.
On 2024-09-23 06:53, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>
> On 23.09.24 05:10, Andrew wrote:
>> Worse, the article explains that Apple (again!) murdered privacy, saying:
>> How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18
>> "Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
>> https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-enable-rcs-messaging-on-iphone-to-text-android-users-3482571/#2
>> and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a
>>
>> connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
>> Fundamentally iMessage is an internet-based service that delivers your
>> but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
>> and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
>> with other RCS users," the company notes."
>> messages via Apple's servers which means it doesn't work most of the time
>
>> unless you have all the myriad requirements (and which is why most of the
> Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
>> world shuns Apple devices as only working in the richest countries).
> iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another
>>
> messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all
>> RCS, on the other hand, is a carrier-based service and works everywhere the
> encryptions or even doesn't have any.
>> carrier supports it (without needing the net just to do anything useful).
>
>>
> *LOL*
>> In other words, if you want it to work, don't use the Apple walled garden.
>
>>
>
>> Worse, the article explains that Apple (again!) murdered privacy, saying:

>> "Apple warns that user identifiers are exchanged for your carrier
And carrier services will not suffice.
>> and their partners to authenticate your device and provide a

>> connection for RCS messaging. "These identifiers could include
RCS REQUIRES internet access.
. >> but are not limited to your IMEI, IMSI, current IP address,
>> and phone number. Your current IP address might also be shared
>> with other RCS users," the company notes."
>
> Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
> iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another
> messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all
> encryptions or even doesn't have any.
>
> *LOL*
>
>

And carrier services will not suffice.

RCS REQUIRES internet access.

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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> Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
> iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another
> messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all
> encryptions or even doesn't have any.

A message going through Apple's system has ten times the requirements of
that same message going through just the carrier's services.

For one, it requires an account on Apple's servers, which nobody on Android
would need - and which is used by Apple to provide others with your data.

Apple reports every year how many people they ratted out for example
because of those additional overhead accounts above carrier services.

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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On 2024-09-23 13:15, Sten deJoode wrote:
>
>> Nobody needs such inferior "carrier services".
>> iPhone user prefer iMsg with the beautiful dark blue bubbles or another
>> messenger service but certainly not such crap like RCS which breaks all
>> encryptions or even doesn't have any.
>
> A message going through Apple's system has ten times the requirements of
> that same message going through just the carrier's services.
>
> For one, it requires an account on Apple's servers, which nobody on Android
> would need - and which is used by Apple to provide others with your data.

Give a single example of Apple providing user data to others.

>
> Apple reports every year how many people they ratted out for example
> because of those additional overhead accounts above carrier services.

Any messaging service requires you to have an account, doofus.

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In comp.sys.mac.system Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
....
> And carrier services will not suffice.

> RCS REQUIRES internet access.

Like Apple's iMessage.
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Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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On 2024-09-23 18:38, Ant wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> ...
>> And carrier services will not suffice.
>
>> RCS REQUIRES internet access.
>
> Like Apple's iMessage.

TANSTAAFL

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
From: Andrew
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
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Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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Ant wrote on Tue, 24 Sep 2024 01:38:22 +0000 :

>> And carrier services will not suffice.
>
>> RCS REQUIRES internet access.
>
> Like Apple's iMessage.

Hi Ant,

The fact is, no operating system murders privacy like iOS does, Ant.

You're not an Apple zealot so I'll just let you know that you do not need
to have an account on Google's servers to send messages on an Android phone
but you DO need to have an account (which nobody wants) on Apple's servers
to send a message using Apple's messaging system.

That is why Apple's messaging system horrendously murdered privacy.

The ignorant Apple zealots don't even realize this huge privacy hole due to
the required account which they "think" Android requires - but they're
wrong.

The Apple zealots who equate the Apple mothership tracking account to a
Google mothership tracking account have no idea there's no account needed
on the Google servers. In a word, those Apple zealots are stupid.

Only Apple requires that mothership account.

No other operating system is designed to murder privacy like iOS is.

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key
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On 2024-09-23 19:46, Andrew wrote:
> Ant wrote on Tue, 24 Sep 2024 01:38:22 +0000 :
>
>>> And carrier services will not suffice.
>>
>>> RCS REQUIRES internet access.
>>
>> Like Apple's iMessage.
>
> Hi Ant,
>
> The fact is, no operating system murders privacy like iOS does, Ant.
>
> You're not an Apple zealot so I'll just let you know that you do not need
> to have an account on Google's servers to send messages on an Android phone
> but you DO need to have an account (which nobody wants) on Apple's servers
> to send a message using Apple's messaging system.

Do you notice how he just pivoted from RCS to sending messages on an
Android phone...

....with SMS?

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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On 24.09.24 03:38, Ant wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.system Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> ...
>> And carrier services will not suffice.
>
>> RCS REQUIRES internet access.
>
> Like Apple's iMessage.

That is the concept, dear.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key differences
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Subject: Re: How to Enable RCS on iPhone with iOS 18 & iMessage vs RCS Key
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On 23.09.24 22:15, Sten deJoode wrote:
> For one, it requires an account on Apple's servers, which nobody on Android
> would need - and which is used by Apple to provide others with your data.

You show you have no clue.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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