On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>
>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>> ASC forums.
>>>
>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>
>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>
> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
> was OK.

Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.

>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>
>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>
>>> Why would I get caught up in it? I do not use the forums except very casually.
>>
>> To help satisfy my curiosity! ;-)
>
> I am not comfortable digging into them for you after you have been kicked out
> for what you describe as repeated poor behavior. Does not seem moral.

On 2024-08-24, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>
>>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>>
>>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>>
>> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
>> was OK.
>
> Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.

That's on them.
Any personal information can be a security risk.

On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:24:47 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<litg5vF9ivbU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 00:13, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:53 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lisislF5itgU2@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No MID?
>>>>
>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>
>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>
>>>
>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>
>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched.
>>
>> You repeatedly talk about things outside of Apple... often implicating people
>> as if they were doing wrong even when there is no evidence or reason. This has
>> been covered many times.
>>
>>>
>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>> there was?)
>>
>> You did speak of third parties.
>>
>>>
>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>
>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>
>> If they told you that why did you ask me to ask them that?
>>>
>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>
>> Why? I am not wanting to harass them or get involved with your battle with
>> them. You have been repeatedly inappropriate and they have told you that many
>> times.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>
> <SIGH> :-(
>
> In the old days ...... do you think that reinstalling an operating on a
> computer effectively erased a drive?

If you just reinstalled the OS the rest of the system was fine. With Classic
Mac you could have multiple OSs and "bless" whichever one you wanted to use.
>
> Would malware on that hard drive have be eradicated?

Only if it was in the System Folder (on a Mac).
>
> That appears NOT to happen nowadays on a Mac.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 01:04, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:32:06 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <liskfmF5itgU5@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>
>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>> there.
>>>
>>> Who has told you that?
>>
>> You!
>
> No - I've reported what emails from 'moderators' have said!
>
> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.

No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
appropriate.
>
>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>
>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>
>>> That is not correct.
>>>
>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>> ASC forums.
>>
>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>
> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
> would would have a second opinion.

WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!
>
>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>
>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>
>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>
> Indeed. I got that impression.
>
> What about THIS place?
> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552

On Aug 24, 2024 at 2:15:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<litmlmFajmaU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>
>>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>>
>>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>>
>> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
>> was OK.
>
> Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.
>
>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>
>>>> Why would I get caught up in it? I do not use the forums except very casually.
>>>
>>> To help satisfy my curiosity! ;-)
>>
>> I am not comfortable digging into them for you after you have been kicked out
>> for what you describe as repeated poor behavior. Does not seem moral.
>
> THEY have described my behaviour in that way.

On 24/08/2024 16:50, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 2:15:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <litmlmFajmaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>>>
>>>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>>>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>>>
>>> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
>>> was OK.
>>
>> Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I get caught up in it? I do not use the forums except very casually.
>>>>
>>>> To help satisfy my curiosity! ;-)
>>>
>>> I am not comfortable digging into them for you after you have been kicked out
>>> for what you describe as repeated poor behavior. Does not seem moral.
>>
>> THEY have described my behaviour in that way.
>
> As have you. You describe yourself as asking about apps and developers in a
> way that implies nefarious intentions. Then you are surprised when people
> respond.

On 24/08/2024 16:46, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:
[....]
>> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.
>
> No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
> developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
> has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
> banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
> closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
> with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
> appropriate.

Perhaps you think asking about THIS result is "not appropriate"?

https://i.ibb.co/PZJ7tmr/Screenshot-2020-08-01-at-08-23-38.png

Is that what you think?

>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>
>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>> ASC forums.
>>>
>>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>>
>> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
>> would would have a second opinion.
>
> WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!

I'm sure most folk believe that to access the ASC forums people have to
use their AppleID (So that they are identifiable to Apple).

That is NOT the case.

>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>
>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>
>>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>>
>> Indeed. I got that impression.
>>
>> What about THIS place?
>> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552
>
> I have gone there on your request in the past. Nothing there of much interest
> to me. No reason to assume anything nefarious.

THAT comment of yours rather surprises me. You appear to enjoy asking
and answering questions and that BBS seems to fit that bill admirably.

Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?

>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>
>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉

On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:25:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<liums0Ff466U1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 16:46, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:
> [....]
>>> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.
>>
>> No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
>> developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
>> has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
>> banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
>> closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
>> with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
>> appropriate.
>
> Perhaps you think asking about THIS result is "not appropriate"?
>
> https://i.ibb.co/PZJ7tmr/Screenshot-2020-08-01-at-08-23-38.png
>
> Is that what you think?

What do you think is not appropriate about it?
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>
>>>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>>>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>>>
>>> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
>>> would would have a second opinion.
>>
>> WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!
>
> I'm sure most folk believe that to access the ASC forums people have to
> use their AppleID (So that they are identifiable to Apple).
>
> That is NOT the case.

And? We have talked about this. Not sure what you are looking for.
>
>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>
>>>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>>>
>>> Indeed. I got that impression.
>>>
>>> What about THIS place?
>>> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552
>>
>> I have gone there on your request in the past. Nothing there of much interest
>> to me. No reason to assume anything nefarious.
>
> THAT comment of yours rather surprises me. You appear to enjoy asking
> and answering questions and that BBS seems to fit that bill admirably.

I went there and did not see any questions I felt needed to be answered or any
significant tech talks that pulled me in. Is there one going on you would
think I would be interested in?
>
> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?

Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>
>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>
>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 24, 2024 at 9:37:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<liughmFebqgU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 16:50, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 2:15:34 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <litmlmFajmaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>>>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>>>>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>>>>
>>>> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
>>>> was OK.
>>>
>>> Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would I get caught up in it? I do not use the forums except very casually.
>>>>>
>>>>> To help satisfy my curiosity! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I am not comfortable digging into them for you after you have been kicked out
>>>> for what you describe as repeated poor behavior. Does not seem moral.
>>>
>>> THEY have described my behaviour in that way.
>>
>> As have you. You describe yourself as asking about apps and developers in a
>> way that implies nefarious intentions. Then you are surprised when people
>> respond.
>
> I have no idea what you are referring to! Am I simply forgetting? Please
> help.

On 24/08/2024 20:11, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 9:37:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <liughmFebqgU1@mid.individual.net>:
[....]
>>>
>>> As have you. You describe yourself as asking about apps and developers in a
>>> way that implies nefarious intentions. Then you are surprised when people
>>> respond.
>>
>> I have no idea what you are referring to! Am I simply forgetting? Please
>> help.
>
> You have asked about ClamXAV and EtreCheck. What else have you posted about?

All manner of subjects!

>> Can you cite a reference for your claim?
>
> You talk about it here:

???

> And here:

????

> And here:

?????

> And many more I am sure.

>>>> That is, or course, untrue. I /have/ asked searching questions and some
>>>> folk there don't like that.
>>>> SOMEBODY there also manipulates posts/threads to suit their own agenda!
>>>>
>>>> Why not test for yourself instead of making yourself persona non grata
>>>> here in my Usenet group?
>>>>
>>>> Try it ....... you might like it! ;-)

Why not give it a whirl, Snit?

On 24/08/2024 19:59, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:25:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <liums0Ff466U1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 16:46, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:
>> [....]
>>>> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.
>>>
>>> No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
>>> developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
>>> has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
>>> banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
>>> closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
>>> with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
>>> appropriate.
>>
>> Perhaps you think asking about THIS result is "not appropriate"?
>>
>> https://i.ibb.co/PZJ7tmr/Screenshot-2020-08-01-at-08-23-38.png
>>
>> Is that what you think?
>
> What do you think is not appropriate about it?

Are you surmising that the message is going against the grain of what
most folk on the forums think?

What if they are wrong?!!

>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>>>>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>>>>
>>>> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
>>>> would would have a second opinion.
>>>
>>> WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!
>>
>> I'm sure most folk believe that to access the ASC forums people have to
>> use their AppleID (So that they are identifiable to Apple).
>>
>> That is NOT the case.
>
> And? We have talked about this. Not sure what you are looking for.

'Bad guys' can infiltrate the forums with ease.

Apple should be more stringent in my opinion.

>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed. I got that impression.
>>>>
>>>> What about THIS place?
>>>> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552
>>>
>>> I have gone there on your request in the past. Nothing there of much interest
>>> to me. No reason to assume anything nefarious.
>>
>> THAT comment of yours rather surprises me. You appear to enjoy asking
>> and answering questions and that BBS seems to fit that bill admirably.
>
> I went there and did not see any questions I felt needed to be answered or any
> significant tech talks that pulled me in. Is there one going on you would
> think I would be interested in?

There are LOTS of unanswered questions. They are a separate category.

>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>
> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
> conversations there have you found to be interesting?

The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!

>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>
>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉

Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?

On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:50:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<liuvcdFgbtcU3@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 19:59, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:25:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <liums0Ff466U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2024 16:46, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>> [....]
>>>>> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.
>>>>
>>>> No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
>>>> developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
>>>> has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
>>>> banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
>>>> closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
>>>> with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
>>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you think asking about THIS result is "not appropriate"?
>>>
>>> https://i.ibb.co/PZJ7tmr/Screenshot-2020-08-01-at-08-23-38.png
>>>
>>> Is that what you think?
>>
>> What do you think is not appropriate about it?
>
> Are you surmising that the message is going against the grain of what
> most folk on the forums think?
>
> What if they are wrong?!!
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>>>>>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
>>>>> would would have a second opinion.
>>>>
>>>> WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!
>>>
>>> I'm sure most folk believe that to access the ASC forums people have to
>>> use their AppleID (So that they are identifiable to Apple).
>>>
>>> That is NOT the case.
>>
>> And? We have talked about this. Not sure what you are looking for.
>
> 'Bad guys' can infiltrate the forums with ease.

And? As you have seen, when someone is being abusive they are kicked out.
>
> Apple should be more stringent in my opinion.

That is fair.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. I got that impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about THIS place?
>>>>> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552
>>>>
>>>> I have gone there on your request in the past. Nothing there of much interest
>>>> to me. No reason to assume anything nefarious.
>>>
>>> THAT comment of yours rather surprises me. You appear to enjoy asking
>>> and answering questions and that BBS seems to fit that bill admirably.
>>
>> I went there and did not see any questions I felt needed to be answered or any
>> significant tech talks that pulled me in. Is there one going on you would
>> think I would be interested in?
>
> There are LOTS of unanswered questions. They are a separate category.

Any specific ones you want to point to? How long would it take to find a
question or topic of interest? Any why that forum when there are many out
there? I am also in FB groups.
>
>>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>>
>> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
>> conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>
> The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!

Can you offer a link again?
>
>>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>>
>>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉
>
> Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?

The first question is: do I think I have the right to do so? If so do I think
there is the info required to do so?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:38:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<liuumsFgbtcU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 20:11, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 9:37:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <liughmFebqgU1@mid.individual.net>:
> [....]
>>>>
>>>> As have you. You describe yourself as asking about apps and developers in a
>>>> way that implies nefarious intentions. Then you are surprised when people
>>>> respond.
>>>
>>> I have no idea what you are referring to! Am I simply forgetting? Please
>>> help.
>>
>> You have asked about ClamXAV and EtreCheck. What else have you posted about?
>
> All manner of subjects!
>
>>> Can you cite a reference for your claim?
>>
>> You talk about it here:
>
> ???
>
>> And here:
>
> ????
>
>> And here:
>
> ?????
>
>> And many more I am sure.

ARG! My client sucks when it comes to posting things that might be seen as a
header. I had the Message headers. Thankfully I have a clipboard manager.

Sincerely sorry for that. It is a HUGE weakness of Usenapp.

>
>>>>> That is, or course, untrue. I /have/ asked searching questions and some
>>>>> folk there don't like that.
>>>>> SOMEBODY there also manipulates posts/threads to suit their own agenda!
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not test for yourself instead of making yourself persona non grata
>>>>> here in my Usenet group?
>>>>>
>>>>> Try it ....... you might like it! ;-)
>
> Why not give it a whirl, Snit?

My life is quite busy. Not looking for more things to fill it up with, esp.
when there is no real incentive.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 24/08/2024 23:03, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:38:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <liuumsFgbtcU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 20:11, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 9:37:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <liughmFebqgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>> [....]
>>>>>
>>>>> As have you. You describe yourself as asking about apps and developers in a
>>>>> way that implies nefarious intentions. Then you are surprised when people
>>>>> respond.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea what you are referring to! Am I simply forgetting? Please
>>>> help.
>>>
>>> You have asked about ClamXAV and EtreCheck. What else have you posted about?
>>
>> All manner of subjects!
>>
>>>> Can you cite a reference for your claim?
>>>
>>> You talk about it here:
>>
>> ???
>>
>>> And here:
>>
>> ????
>>
>>> And here:
>>
>> ?????
>>
>>> And many more I am sure.
>
> ARG! My client sucks when it comes to posting things that might be seen as a
> header. I had the Message headers. Thankfully I have a clipboard manager.
>
> Sincerely sorry for that. It is a HUGE weakness of Usenapp.

Have you raised it on the Usenapp Forum?

>>>>>> That is, or course, untrue. I /have/ asked searching questions and some
>>>>>> folk there don't like that.
>>>>>> SOMEBODY there also manipulates posts/threads to suit their own agenda!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not test for yourself instead of making yourself persona non grata
>>>>>> here in my Usenet group?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try it ....... you might like it! ;-)
>>
>> Why not give it a whirl, Snit?
>
> My life is quite busy. Not looking for more things to fill it up with, esp.
> when there is no real incentive.

If you posted less here, you'd have FAR more time! ;-)

On 24/08/2024 23:01, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:50:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <liuvcdFgbtcU3@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 19:59, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:25:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <liums0Ff466U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 24/08/2024 16:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
>>>>> developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
>>>>> has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
>>>>> banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
>>>>> closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
>>>>> with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you think asking about THIS result is "not appropriate"?
>>>>
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/PZJ7tmr/Screenshot-2020-08-01-at-08-23-38.png
>>>>
>>>> Is that what you think?
>>>
>>> What do you think is not appropriate about it?
>>
>> Are you surmising that the message is going against the grain of what
>> most folk on the forums think?
>>
>> What if they are wrong?!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>>>>>>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
>>>>>> would would have a second opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure most folk believe that to access the ASC forums people have to
>>>> use their AppleID (So that they are identifiable to Apple).
>>>>
>>>> That is NOT the case.
>>>
>>> And? We have talked about this. Not sure what you are looking for.
>>
>> 'Bad guys' can infiltrate the forums with ease.
>
> And? As you have seen, when someone is being abusive they are kicked out.
>>
>> Apple should be more stringent in my opinion.
>
> That is fair.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. I got that impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about THIS place?
>>>>>> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552
>>>>>
>>>>> I have gone there on your request in the past. Nothing there of much interest
>>>>> to me. No reason to assume anything nefarious.
>>>>
>>>> THAT comment of yours rather surprises me. You appear to enjoy asking
>>>> and answering questions and that BBS seems to fit that bill admirably.
>>>
>>> I went there and did not see any questions I felt needed to be answered or any
>>> significant tech talks that pulled me in. Is there one going on you would
>>> think I would be interested in?
>>
>> There are LOTS of unanswered questions. They are a separate category.
>
> Any specific ones you want to point to? How long would it take to find a
> question or topic of interest? Any why that forum when there are many out
> there? I am also in FB groups.
>>
>>>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>>>
>>> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
>>> conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>>
>> The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!
>
> Can you offer a link again?
>>
>>>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉
>>
>> Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?
>
> The first question is: do I think I have the right to do so? If so do I think
> there is the info required to do so?

I'll come back to this tomorrow!

On Aug 24, 2024 at 3:29:58 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<liv576Fh8maU2@mid.individual.net>:
....
>>>
>>>>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>>>>
>>>> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
>>>> conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>>>
>>> The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!
>>
>> Can you offer a link again?
>>>
>>>>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉
>>>
>>> Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?
>>
>> The first question is: do I think I have the right to do so? If so do I think
>> there is the info required to do so?
>
> I'll come back to this tomorrow!

Fair enough.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 24, 2024 at 3:28:15 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<liv53vFh8maU1@mid.individual.net>:

> On 24/08/2024 23:03, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:38:52 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <liuumsFgbtcU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2024 20:11, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 9:37:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <liughmFebqgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>> [....]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As have you. You describe yourself as asking about apps and developers in a
>>>>>> way that implies nefarious intentions. Then you are surprised when people
>>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea what you are referring to! Am I simply forgetting? Please
>>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>> You have asked about ClamXAV and EtreCheck. What else have you posted about?
>>>
>>> All manner of subjects!
>>>
>>>>> Can you cite a reference for your claim?
>>>>
>>>> You talk about it here:
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>>> And here:
>>>
>>> ????
>>>
>>>> And here:
>>>
>>> ?????
>>>
>>>> And many more I am sure.
>>
>> ARG! My client sucks when it comes to posting things that might be seen as a
>> header. I had the Message headers. Thankfully I have a clipboard manager.
>>
>> Sincerely sorry for that. It is a HUGE weakness of Usenapp.
>
> Have you raised it on the Usenapp Forum?

No, but I should. This is a topic worth posting about.
>
>>>>>>> That is, or course, untrue. I /have/ asked searching questions and some
>>>>>>> folk there don't like that.
>>>>>>> SOMEBODY there also manipulates posts/threads to suit their own agenda!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not test for yourself instead of making yourself persona non grata
>>>>>>> here in my Usenet group?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try it ....... you might like it! ;-)
>>>
>>> Why not give it a whirl, Snit?
>>
>> My life is quite busy. Not looking for more things to fill it up with, esp.
>> when there is no real incentive.
>
> If you posted less here, you'd have FAR more time! ;-)

As you and others have noted, I do not put much time into most posts.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 24/08/2024 23:01, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 1:50:21 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <liuvcdFgbtcU3@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 19:59, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 11:25:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <liums0Ff466U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 24/08/2024 16:46, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 24, 2024 at 12:43:14 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <lith8iF9ivbU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> I most certainly 'touched a nerve' - I must have got close to the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You have repeatedly broken terms of service and suggested that apps and
>>>>> developers were doing wrong, and did so with no evidence. You are the one who
>>>>> has pointed to your behavior as you do that. This has resulted in you getting
>>>>> banned. It is frustrating for you, sure, but it does not mean you have gotten
>>>>> closer to some deep "truth" about them... you have to face you have an issue
>>>>> with repeatedly asking about apps and developers in ways that are not
>>>>> appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you think asking about THIS result is "not appropriate"?
>>>>
>>>> https://i.ibb.co/PZJ7tmr/Screenshot-2020-08-01-at-08-23-38.png
>>>>
>>>> Is that what you think?
>>>
>>> What do you think is not appropriate about it?
>>
>> Are you surmising that the message is going against the grain of what
>> most folk on the forums think?
>>
>> What if they are wrong?!!
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not for joining your battle with them they why? And you said they already
>>>>>>> said it was OK. Why ask when we have an answer? This is all so odd to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I simply wanted you to check - so that both you and others reading here
>>>>>> would would have a second opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHY? For what purpose? It is so weird!
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure most folk believe that to access the ASC forums people have to
>>>> use their AppleID (So that they are identifiable to Apple).
>>>>
>>>> That is NOT the case.
>>>
>>> And? We have talked about this. Not sure what you are looking for.
>>
>> 'Bad guys' can infiltrate the forums with ease.
>
> And? As you have seen, when someone is being abusive they are kicked out.
>>
>> Apple should be more stringent in my opinion.
>
> That is fair.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am not really concerned about the forums there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed. I got that impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about THIS place?
>>>>>> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552
>>>>>
>>>>> I have gone there on your request in the past. Nothing there of much interest
>>>>> to me. No reason to assume anything nefarious.
>>>>
>>>> THAT comment of yours rather surprises me. You appear to enjoy asking
>>>> and answering questions and that BBS seems to fit that bill admirably.
>>>
>>> I went there and did not see any questions I felt needed to be answered or any
>>> significant tech talks that pulled me in. Is there one going on you would
>>> think I would be interested in?
>>
>> There are LOTS of unanswered questions. They are a separate category.
>
> Any specific ones you want to point to? How long would it take to find a
> question or topic of interest? Any why that forum when there are many out
> there? I am also in FB groups.

Please take your pick!

https://x704.net/bbs/search.php?search_id=unanswered

>>>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>>>
>>> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
>>> conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>>
>> The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!
>
> Can you offer a link again?

Sure:-

https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552

>>>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉
>>
>> Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?
>
> The first question is: do I think I have the right to do so? If so do I think
> there is the info required to do so?

I wanted “back on the site” to satisfy myself that X704 is not simply a
playground for bad guys - nowhere do I see a formal definition of why
the phbb was set up and by whom. Excluding me clearly demonstrates, to
me, that someone is hiding something! I noticed that WZZZ was
particularly acerbic even though he has membership of The Lounge on the
ASC forums. Logic tells me that by the law of averages, there MUST be
‘bad guys' operating on the ASC forums.

Unless you know different!

I believe one has right to know the REAL person who is encouraging folk
to break Apple's rules whilst, at the same time, masquerading as a top
poster in the ASC forums.

https://discussions.apple.com/profile/BDAqua/subscriptions

Have you, by chance, ever read this thread of mine (right to the YT clip
at the end!?

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/669625/av-for-mac-can-you-answer-these-unanswered-questions/

--
David

On 25/08/2024 02:36, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 3:29:58 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <liv576Fh8maU2@mid.individual.net>:
> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>>>>>
>>>>> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
>>>>> conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>>>>
>>>> The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!
>>>
>>> Can you offer a link again?
>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉
>>>>
>>>> Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?
>>>
>>> The first question is: do I think I have the right to do so? If so do I think
>>> there is the info required to do so?
>>
>> I'll come back to this tomorrow!
>
> Fair enough.

Cheers! 😊

On Aug 24, 2024 at 5:15:34 AM EDT, "David Brooks" <BDB@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

> On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>
>>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>>
>>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>>
>> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
>> was OK.
>
> Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.
>
>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>
>>>> Why would I get caught up in it? I do not use the forums except very casually.
>>>
>>> To help satisfy my curiosity! ;-)
>>
>> I am not comfortable digging into them for you after you have been kicked out
>> for what you describe as repeated poor behavior. Does not seem moral.
>
> THEY have described my behaviour in that way.
>
> That is, or course, untrue. I /have/ asked searching questions and some
> folk there don't like that.
> SOMEBODY there also manipulates posts/threads to suit their own agenda!
>
> Why not test for yourself instead of making yourself persona non grata
> here in my Usenet group?
>
> Try it ....... you might like it! ;-)

On 25/08/2024 23:41, You're Kidding wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2024 at 5:15:34 AM EDT, "David Brooks" <BDB@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/08/2024 01:05, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:21:05 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <lisjr1F5itgU3@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 24/08/2024 00:11, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 4:04:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <lisirvF5itgU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 21:16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 10:16:52 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <lirug4F1vc0U4@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 9:04:04 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <lirq7kF1vc0U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 15:31, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2024 at 1:20:03 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <liqv1jFsidqU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/08/2024 00:10, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 2:14:09 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lipo11Fn1psU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 18:01, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 9:56:43 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip8ubFkrm3U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 17:52, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lip0n3Fjk9uU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/08/2024 14:59, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 4:34:10 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <liom1iFi2vaU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Data could not be decoded.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Context?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot - you'll have to magnify:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://i.ibb.co/jLBHSfw/4278848-B-D336-4-FD4-9-EA4-2260-CDD43-D61.png
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You posted the reason why your posts at the forum were removed and now you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asking others why it was removed? It was removed for the reasons you posted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please cite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No MID?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arg! I copied the whole message. My client sometimes does stupid things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <lin80kFb5gfU2@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry it did not come through the first time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That was the message sent from Apple with their standard routine bollox!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *I want to know what nerve my question touched*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was NOTHING "inappropriate" about my question. (Or do you think
>>>>>>>>>>>> there was?)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone notified Apple that that 'WhiterThanWhite' - who asked the
>>>>>>>>>>>> question on the ASC - was actually me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no way to challenge an arbitrary decision made by those running
>>>>>>>>>>>> the ASC forums. Even Apple Support advises folk to simply reinvent
>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves under a new Apple ID and carry-on-regardless!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You quoted where they said you should not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did indeed. I'm not hiding anything!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have also explained that BDAqua, a major player on the ASC forums,
>>>>>>>>>> TOLD me to reinvent myself under another Apple ID.|
>>>>>>>>>> Apple Support - by telephone - also told me the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were OK with it until you continued behavior they asked you to stop. OK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I really do wish you would pay proper attention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have been repeatedly asked to stop posting things about other companies
>>>>>>> and about your fears of malware. You keep doing so and are now not welcome
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who has told you that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give them a ring yourself and ask Apple Support about the ASC
>>>>>>>>>>>> forums and let us know what they say over there in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have no desire to be kicked from the forums for harassing them over how they
>>>>>>>>>>> handle people who do not respect their rules.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is calling Apple Support on the 'phone going to hassle anyone on the
>>>>>>>>>> ASC forums?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, no désire to harass Apple in any medium.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you to harass Apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You want me to contact them and ask about your battle with them. That would
>>>>>>> not be appropriate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggested that you 'phone Apple Support and ask if it is OK for you to
>>>>>> reinvent yourself under a new Apple ID in order to gain access to the
>>>>>> ASC forums.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get involved in your battle with them. But you already said they said it was
>>>>> OK. This is all so weird.
>>>>
>>>> Do YOU thinks it's OK to use an AppleID - other than your "real" one -
>>>> in order to access the ASC forums?
>>>
>>> I would likely only use my real one. I do not know. But you said they said it
>>> was OK.
>>
>> Yes indeed. They don't seem to think it's a security risk.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> They make up their own rules, Snit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure... it is their forum. Who else should make the rules?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://discussions.apple.com/terms
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple should make the rules - and Apple should moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple do NOT moderate the ASC forums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you don't believe me, ask the question on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They oversee it, surely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure that they do. How will you find out the truth of this matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I get caught up in it? I do not use the forums except very casually.
>>>>
>>>> To help satisfy my curiosity! ;-)
>>>
>>> I am not comfortable digging into them for you after you have been kicked out
>>> for what you describe as repeated poor behavior. Does not seem moral.
>>
>> THEY have described my behaviour in that way.
>>
>> That is, or course, untrue. I /have/ asked searching questions and some
>> folk there don't like that.
>> SOMEBODY there also manipulates posts/threads to suit their own agenda!
>>
>> Why not test for yourself instead of making yourself persona non grata
>> here in my Usenet group?
>>
>> Try it ....... you might like it! ;-)
>
> Can't you and Snit take this to private email?

On Aug 25, 2024 at 3:25:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<lj1parFt1agU1@mid.individual.net>:

....
>>>
>>> There are LOTS of unanswered questions. They are a separate category.
>>
>> Any specific ones you want to point to? How long would it take to find a
>> question or topic of interest? Any why that forum when there are many out
>> there? I am also in FB groups.
>
> Please take your pick!
>
> https://x704.net/bbs/search.php?search_id=unanswered
>
>>>>> Why don't you like the venue for your everyday adventures?
>>>>
>>>> Was not fond of the format and the content did not pull me in. What
>>>> conversations there have you found to be interesting?
>>>
>>> The ones where "Anonymous" curtailed the discussion!
>>
>> Can you offer a link again?
>
> Sure:-
>
> https://x704.net/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9373&p=124552#p124552

No promises but I have bookmarked it and will skim from time to time. See if
there is any question where I can be of help.
>
>>>>>>> You'll note that it's run by 'BDAqua' - a top honcho on the ASC forums!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's more on-line than Usenet! 😉
>>>
>>> Can you determine any real-life information about BDAqua?
>>
>> The first question is: do I think I have the right to do so? If so do I think
>> there is the info required to do so?
>
> I wanted “back on the site” to satisfy myself that X704 is not simply a
> playground for bad guys

Wait: you suspect it is but just asked me to post there?

> - nowhere do I see a formal definition of why
> the phbb was set up and by whom. Excluding me clearly demonstrates, to
> me, that someone is hiding something!

What happened before you were kicked out? Were you asking about EtreCheck and
/ or ClamXAV?

> I noticed that WZZZ was
> particularly acerbic even though he has membership of The Lounge on the
> ASC forums. Logic tells me that by the law of averages, there MUST be
> ‘bad guys' operating on the ASC forums.

Yet you want me to go there?
>
> Unless you know different!

There can be "bad guys" anywhere... but no reason to think there over other
places. We KNOW there are bad guys here -- Gremlin, Carroll / Glock, Pothead,
Skeeter, etc.
>
> I believe one has right to know the REAL person who is encouraging folk
> to break Apple's rules whilst, at the same time, masquerading as a top
> poster in the ASC forums.

Break Apple's rules?
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/profile/BDAqua/subscriptions
>
> Have you, by chance, ever read this thread of mine (right to the YT clip
> at the end!?
>
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/669625/av-for-mac-can-you-answer-these-unanswered-questions/

I have not. As soon as I got to the focus on ClamXAV I sorta tuned out.
>
> --
> David

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2024-08-22 12:52, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "Da

Why do you reply to it at all?

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On Aug 27, 2024 at 12:46:59 PM MST, "Alan Browne" wrote
<T2qzO.25114$xnk2.21931@fx11.iad>:

> On 2024-08-22 12:52, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "Da
>
> Why do you reply to it at all?

I think David does have a good heart... he does not mean to be harmful as say
Pothead or Skeeter or Carroll or Gremlin do. But his focus here is not healthy
for him.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 27/08/2024 21:01, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2024 at 12:46:59 PM MST, "Alan Browne" wrote
> <T2qzO.25114$xnk2.21931@fx11.iad>:
>
>> On 2024-08-22 12:52, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 22, 2024 at 7:36:19 AM MST, "Da
>>
>> Why do you reply to it at all?
>
> I think David does have a good heart... he does not mean to be harmful as say
> Pothead or Skeeter or Carroll or Gremlin do. But his focus here is not healthy
> for him.

People ignore my questions about file size discrepancy, Snit.

Will you, please, ask if anyone can explain why the downloaded file from
EtreCheck is far smaller that the total files found by AppCleaner?

https://i.ibb.co/y0t7T54/Screenshot-2022-04-15-at-10-54-52.png

The reason might be as simple as the fact that the downloaded file is a
ZIP file!

But I don't think that's it!