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* [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)Your Name
`* Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)Fishrrman
 `* Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)Your Name
  +- Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)Jörg Lorenz
  `- Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)Alan Browne

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Subject: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)
From: Your Name
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2024 20:46 UTC
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Subject: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)
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In the up-coming new versions of macOS, Apple has reportedly removed
the Control / right click option to us Open to bypass Gatekeeper to
open apps (not that it always worked anyway). Supposedly the Privacy &
Security System Settings panel still allows you to bypass it though and
it may also still be possible via a Terminal command.

Could be just a hiccup in the latest beat version or it could be a
permananet change.

Apple removes Control-click option for skipping
Gatekeeper in macOS Sequoia
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Gatekeeper gets more strict in macOS Sequoia.

You'll no longer be able to override Gatekeeper in
macOS Sequoia with a keyboard shortcut as Apple
continues to crack down on unsigned software.

If you try to install apps on macOS that haven't
been signed or notarized, Gatekeeper gets in the
way and won't let it run. Apple has removed an
age-old shortcut for skipping the Gatekeeper prompt
in macOS Sequoia.

Until macOS Sequoia, users could hold Control and
click on a freshly installed app to avoid
Gatekeeper's warnings about running unsafe software.
Now, users must navigate to System Settings then
Privacy & Security to allow the app to run.

It's a slight inconvenience for users trying to
install apps from the web, but it doesn't prevent
them from running the app. In fact, many installers
include instructions or a direct link to the System
Settings page, so the Control-click shortcut hasn't
always been necessary.

The change is likely meant to protect non-technical
users from being instructed by malicious installers
to bypass Gatekeeper. The extra steps requiring
actions in System Settings can create a higher
barrier to entry for such attack vectors.

Apple, of course, recommends that any app destined
for macOS that is distributed outside the App Store
be notarized. The process scans the software for
security risks and gives it a ticket for Gatekeeper
to treat it as a trusted app.

Some see this as a direct attack on web-sourced
software that Apple is babying its customer base with
nanny-like protections. In the end, it is just an
extra step that could prevent someone from running
malware and does nothing to stop people from running
what they want on Mac.

macOS Sequoia is due to release later in the fall. It
could launch alongside iOS 18 shortly after the
iPhone 16 announcement in September.


<https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/08/06/apple-removes-control-click-option-for-skipping-gatekeeper-in-macos-sequoia>

Subject: Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)
From: Fishrrman
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On 8/6/24 4:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
> You'll no longer be able to override Gatekeeper in
>    macOS Sequoia with a keyboard shortcut as Apple
>    continues to crack down on unsigned software.

Seems to me that I was able to override it by opening
terminal and then typing in
sudo spctl --master-disable

.... and entering my password afterwards.

I dislike Apple interfering with what I can and can't run.
Disabling Gatekeeper is one of the first things I do on any
new Mac or OS install/upgrade.

Subject: Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)
From: Your Name
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On 2024-08-07 03:01:33 +0000, Fishrrman said:
> On 8/6/24 4:46 PM, Your Name wrote:
>
>> You'll no longer be able to override Gatekeeper in
>>    macOS Sequoia with a keyboard shortcut as Apple
>>    continues to crack down on unsigned software.
>
> Seems to me that I was able to override it by opening terminal and then
> typing in
> sudo spctl --master-disable
>
> ... and entering my password afterwards.
>
> I dislike Apple interfering with what I can and can't run.
> Disabling Gatekeeper is one of the first things I do on any new Mac or
> OS install/upgrade.

In earlier versions of macOS, you could simply use a System Preferences
setting to allow apps from "anywhere" to be opened, but that got
removed / hidden in later versions.

Control / right click and choosing Open was a quick way of getting many
apps to run when Gatekeeper interferred. Occassionally that didn't work
either, so using the Terminal command to turn off Gatekeeper usually
worked instead. (Once you've opened the 'naughty' app, you can always
turn Gatekeeper back on using the Terminal command:
sudo spctl --master-enable

Things got a bit more difficult in newer versions of macOS with the SIP
protection that can only be turned off via Terminal in Safe Boot mode.

Apple is obviously tightening things up further. Eventually it will
probably be like iOS / iPadOS and only allow apps to be installed form
the official Apple App Store and the approved other app stores that new
laws have forced Apple into allowing.

Subject: Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)
From: Jörg Lorenz
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Am 07.08.24 um 07:42 schrieb Your Name:
> Things got a bit more difficult in newer versions of macOS with the SIP
> protection that can only be turned off via Terminal in Safe Boot mode.
>
> Apple is obviously tightening things up further. Eventually it will
> probably be like iOS / iPadOS and only allow apps to be installed form
> the official Apple App Store and the approved other app stores that new
> laws have forced Apple into allowing.

That will be exactly when Apple runs the risk to lose a sizeable portion
of its users including me.

For a number of years I have Linux-machines as backups if Apple goes
overboard. Apple as nanny is not needed and not wanted. The
CSAM-desaster was also an eye-opener.

Jörg

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

Subject: Re: [NEWS] Apple tightens up macOS Gatekeeper (slightly)
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On 2024-08-07 01:42, Your Name wrote:

> Apple is obviously tightening things up further. Eventually it will
> probably be like iOS / iPadOS and only allow apps to be installed form
> the official Apple App Store and the approved other app stores that new
> laws have forced Apple into allowing.

I doubt it. Mac OS is a development platform too. Having such a policy
and coding it into the OS would be a nightmare.

Bypassing the control-click-option seems to be a speedbump to get people
out of lazy habits and force them to think more before installing
out-of-the-wilds apps.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

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