Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:25:59 GMT :

> [more trolling ignored]

Facts.

The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
_all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

Yup. Monthly.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

Don't you think there's a reason iPhones are the most exploited
phones in history and not Android, Jolly Roger?

Does it ever occur to you that Pegasus has never attacked the
Android kernel and yet it constantly attacks Apple's kernel?

There's a reason I say "to own an iPhone is to already be exploited".

On 2024-05-15, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:25:59 GMT :
>
>> [more trolling ignored]
>
> [more trolling ignored]

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Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 02:45:24 GMT :

>> [more trolling ignored]

Facts.

The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
_all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

Yup. Monthly.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

On 2024-05-15, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 02:45:24 GMT :
>
>>> [more trolling ignored]
>
> Facts.
>
> The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.

Nope, that's not a fact.

Bye now.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 01:56:17 GMT :

>> The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
>
> Nope, that's not a fact.

You don't like that fact but it's still a fact, Jolly Roger.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

However, I understand why you think it's not a fact, which is your whole
experience with Apple has been Apple telling you it's never exploited.

Just like Ashley Madison told the customers they were safe when they
weren't, Apple is no different than they were, Jolly Roger.

The sad fact is the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

On 2024-05-16, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 01:56:17 GMT :
>
>>> The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
>>
>> Nope, that's not a fact.
>
> You don't like that fact but it's still a fact, Jolly Roger.
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

As is so often the case, your lie is as weak as your intellect. On that
list:

- iOS has 131 exploited vulnerabilities
- Android has 16 exploited vulnerabilities
- Google has 57 exploited vulnerabilities
- Samsung has 11 exploited vulnerabilities

So the Android operating system combined with the most popular Android
web browser combined with the most popular smartphone brand (Samsung)
comes out to 84 exploited vulnerabilities. And we haven't even included
the rest of the popular Android smartphone brands or alternative web
browsers.

Total iPhone: 131
Total Android: 84

Your "exploited over ten times more" claim doesn't stand up to scrutiny,
which is par for the course for your claims which always exaggerate (and
often just fabricate) so-called "facts" to align with your
zealotry-driven anti-Apple slant.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

>Total iPhone: 131
>Total Android: 84

Isn't that bad enough?

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On 2024-05-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Total iPhone: 131
>> Total Android: 84
>
> Isn't that bad enough?

It's not "ten times more". You support Arlen's lies because they align
with your bias, but that doesn't make them "facts".

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badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :

>>Total iPhone: 131
>>Total Android: 84
>
> Isn't that bad enough?

Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times more
than is Android, so I stand corrected (last I had checked, admittedly a
while ago, it was much higher). I agree it's not ten times more.

I apologize.
Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple products' safety.

While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily, as
far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than does
Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises these facts.

As with Ashley Madison, Apple only says you're safer - but you're not.

On 2024-05-17 08:33, Andrew wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Total iPhone: 131
>>> Total Android: 84
>>
>> Isn't that bad enough?
>
> Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times more
> than is Android, so I stand corrected (last I had checked, admittedly a
> while ago, it was much higher). I agree it's not ten times more.

Or the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to pretend it is...

>
> I apologize.
> Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple products' safety.
>
> While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily, as
> far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than does
> Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises these facts.

But yesterday, "as far as [you'd] seen", you were claiming it was "ten
times" as many...

....so we know a lot about how much to trust your conclusions, don't we?

On 2024-05-17, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-05-17 08:33, Andrew wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> Total iPhone: 131
>>>> Total Android: 84
>>>
>>> Isn't that bad enough?
>>
>> Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times
>> more than is Android

Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
in the equation.

> Or the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to pretend it
> is...
>>
>> I apologize. Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple
>> products' safety.
>>
>> While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily,
>> as far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than
>> does Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises
>> these facts.
>
> But yesterday, "as far as [you'd] seen", you were claiming it was "ten
> times" as many...
>
> ...so we know a lot about how much to trust your conclusions, don't
> we?

His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 16:21:07 GMT :

> Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
> in the equation.

Long ago, we had a loooong thread when I explained patiently to you Apple
zealots that Apple marketing lies to you about Apple's support, given that
Apple actually has the worst bugfix support in the entire industry, JR.

Part of that thread was based on an in-depth analysis of the data.
*Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Where when we added up all the iOS-related known exploits (which includes
more than just the iPhone) and all the Android related known exploits
(which also include more than just phones), the ratio was over 10 to 1.

Showing that Apple's iOS-related exploits are the worst in the industry.

If it's only over 1-1/2 times worse by your count, that's not going to
change the outcome which is that Apple's exploits are consistently the
worst in the industry - by a lot.

> His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

You call every fact about Apple that you don't like, a troll, Jolly Roger,
because you get all your news only from Apple's (brilliant) marketing.

I get my news from reliable independent non-biased credible sources, JR.

FACT:
*Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

ASSESSMENT:
*Apple products consistently have the most exploits in the industry.*

On 2024-05-17, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 16:21:07 GMT :
>
>> Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
>> in the equation.
>
> Apple zealots
> Apple marketing
> Apple's support

Try staying on topic, Arlen. I know it's hard for you due to your
emotions getting in the way, but try. FACT (you love that word, right?):
These numbers don't include vulnerabilities from all Android smartphone
vendors, but do include all iPhones since only Apple makes them. Any
rational adult will know that it is therefore inherently unfair to
exclude some Android vulnerabilities from some Android smartphone
vendors when comparing to iPhones. You know this. You just don't care
because of your very clear bias.

>> His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.
>
> You call every fact

Your so-called "fact" (that Apple's iPhones are exploited ten times as
much as Android phones" has been easily proven to be FALSE - a LIE -
which greatly upsets you. You're emotional. You're not in a position of
rationality. So you resort to ad hominem slinging your little schoolyard
insults. You're a pathetic mental & emotional weakling.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 19:19:21 GMT :

> These numbers don't include vulnerabilities from all Android smartphone
> vendors, but do include all iPhones since only Apple makes them.

As I said, I am well aware that the CISA exploits break exploits down into
categories which become complex and which only you seem to have understood.

> Any
> rational adult will know that it is therefore inherently unfair to
> exclude some Android vulnerabilities from some Android smartphone
> vendors when comparing to iPhones. You know this. You just don't care
> because of your very clear bias.

Since you were the only zealot who understood the vulnerabilities were
categorized in a complex way, I let you off the hook when you calculated
the iOS exploits to be 1.64 times the Android exploits, Jolly Roger.

When I first told you about CISA's report more than a year or two ago, I
also ran those calculations and found iOS to be over 10 times Android, and
in that case I included the Samsung bugs into the Android ones too.

It really doesn't matter how much Apple is exploited more than Android
though, as the main point is that you believe only what Apple tells you.

And Apple is never going to tell you Apple has the worst support in the
industry, Jolly Roger. Nor are they going to tell you that the iPhone is
always exploited far more than Android is exploited, Jolly Roger.

And there are good reasons why iOS is exploited more than Android too.
You need to get your data from outside of Apple's brilliant marketing, JR.
>>> His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.
>>
>> You call every fact
>
> Your so-called "fact" (that Apple's iPhones are exploited ten times as
> much as Android phones" has been easily proven to be FALSE - a LIE -
> which greatly upsets you.

Actually, the only thing that matters is the iPhone is exploited.
A lot.

Apple will never advertise that the iPhone is exploited more than Android.
Apple won't even tell you the iPhone is exploited.

Did you ever wonder why Apple always says the iPhone "may" have been
exploited every time that any known exploits have been explained to them?

They want YOU (the gullible customer) to believe it wasn't exploited.
When it was.

> You're emotional. You're not in a position of
> rationality. So you resort to ad hominem slinging your little schoolyard
> insults. You're a pathetic mental & emotional weakling.

And yet, I'm the one who informed YOU that Apple only fully supports a
single release, Jolly Roger.

It's no longer shocking how little you know about iOS, Jolly Roger.