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Subject: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
From: Alan
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory reset.

Here they are:

<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>

Let's walk through them, together.

First, you get the "Hello" screen.

1-Hello.jpeg

After pressing the home button, you see the language selection screen:

2-Language.jpeg

After selecting your language, you are asked for your region:

3-Region.jpeg

I selected Canada and came to the screen where you can either do a
"Quick Start" using an iOS device running iOS 11 or later, or you can do
a "Set Up Manually"

4-Quick Start.jpeg

I chose to "Set Up Manually" and we came to the "Choose a Wi-Fi" screen.

5-Wi-Fi.jpeg

Not living in a slum and not afraid of my own shadow, I chose my home
network, and came to the "Data and Privacy" screen:

6-Data & Privacy.jpeg

Having already read Apple's privacy documentation previously (and having
access to that documentation online, because I wasn't too afraid to
connect to WiFi in the previous step), I clicked Continue, and came to
the passcode setup screen:

7-Passcode.jpeg

I set up a passcode--twice as is the usual way, and came to the App &
Data screen where you're asked if you'd like to restore from some source
or set up a new device without transferring:

8-Apps & Data.jpeg

I chose, "Don't Transfer Apps & Data", and now we come to the Apple ID
screen:

9-Apple ID.jpeg

I chose, "Forgot password or don't have an Apple ID?", and came to the
second Apple ID screen where the option, "Set Up Later in Settings" exists:

10-Forgot Apple ID.jpeg

I chose, "Set Up Later in Settings", and was asked to confirm my choice:

11-Confirm no Apple ID.jpeg

I confirmed, "Don't Use", and we get:

12-Terms & Conditions.jpeg

Accepting the T&C, we get options for setting up Siri and Location, but
remember: we're anonymous, and you can choose NOT to have this
information transferred.

13-Express Setttings.jpeg

So after selecting, "Continue", we get whether or not to have software
updates done automatically or not:

14-Software updates.jpeg

For the purposes of this demonstration, I chose "Continue" rather than
"Install Updates Manually", and we get Screen Time options:

15-Screen Time.jpeg

"Continue" and we get options about sending analytic data to Apple and
app developers:

16-iPad Analytics.jpeg
17-App Analytics.jpeg

Continue to both, and we get a three informational screens about
features of iOS/iPadOS;

18-Dock quick access.jpeg
19-Recent app switch.jpeg
20-Quickly Access Controls.jpeg

And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.

21-Home screen.jpeg

Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.

And of course, you could add a completely minimal AppleID with no
personal information at all:

22-AppleID setup.jpeg

No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>
> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>
> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.

You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
out and it will never ask you again.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
>> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>>
>> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>>
>> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
>> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
>> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
>> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
>
> You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
> out and it will never ask you again.

So we're agreed:

Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...

....is just a huge idiot.

:-)

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On Aug 4, 2024 at 5:33:17 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

> On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
>>> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>>>
>>> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>>>
>>> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
>>> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
>>> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
>>> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
>>
>> You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
>> out and it will never ask you again.
>
> So we're agreed:
>
> Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
> cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...

Well, to be fair, ANY device these days can be - sort of - considered a "dumb
terminal" because the whole point of most devices is the network connection.
But apparently troll boy has never actually seen a real dumb terminal. It
actually does nothing locally, it merely displays the TEXT that is coming
across the line from the Actual Computer.

Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing
going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago. The network connection is needed,
to get data/apps/communicate with friends/etc. No one buys a phone/PC/iPad to
use it as a stand-alone device.

To use a very old phrase, "The Network IS The Computer".

> ...is just a huge idiot.
>
> :-)

Well, he is certainly that. And he demonstrates it every time he rambles on
here.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 2024-08-04 21:53:02 +0000, Tyrone said:
> On Aug 4, 2024 at 5:33:17 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
>>> On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
>>>> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>>>>
>>>> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>>>>
>>>> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
>>>> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
>>>> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
>>>> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
>>>
>>> You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
>>> out and it will never ask you again.
>>
>> So we're agreed:
>>
>> Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
>> cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...
>
> Well, to be fair, ANY device these days can be - sort of - considered a "dumb
> terminal" because the whole point of most devices is the network
> connection. But apparently troll boy has never actually seen a real
> dumb terminal. It
> actually does nothing locally, it merely displays the TEXT that is coming
> across the line from the Actual Computer.
>
> Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing
> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.

Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards
consumers having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals
with all the apps running on the developers' servers (at a monthly
subscription of course). Office 365 is the obvious example, but Apple
and Adobe also have webapps of their office and creative software.

They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure
everyone is using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into
buying a newer device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of
the apps.

BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it
impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your
device is considered "too old".

> The network connection is needed,to get data/apps/communicate with
> friends/etc. No one buys a phone/PC/iPad to use it as a stand-alone
> device.
>
> To use a very old phrase, "The Network IS The Computer".
>
>> ...is just a huge idiot.
>>
>> :-)
>
> Well, he is certainly that. And he demonstrates it every time he rambles on
> here.

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Your Name wrote on Mon, 5 Aug 2024 13:29:54 +1200 :

> BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it
> impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your
> device is considered "too old".

I will always agree with anyone who states a logically sentient viewpoint.

And I never disagree with facts (only fools do that - that's why they're
fools).

There's a reason only the richest countries in the world can afford Apple's
privacy-robbing 24/7/365 model of no iOS functionality without Internet.

However, my reasons for not wanting to constantly log into Apple's
mothership tracking servers is well known for privacy & functionality.

Since my killfilter automatically deletes anything Alan Baker sends, I
looked up his original post using the canonical search engine for this ng.
<http://tinyurl.com/nova-misc-phone-mobile-iphone>

*Setting up an iPad without an AppleID*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16576&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16576>

I doubt Alan Baker has tested it (as I know how desperate the zealots are
to claim that Apple products aren't innately dysfunctional devices); but
since I want to prove if Jolly Roger was correct or not, I'll try it out.
<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j>

If Alan Baker has indeed found a way to set up an iPad without the Internet
involved (and Apple's Cupertino mothership tracking servers), I'll check it
out, and if it is indeed correct, I will commend Alan Baker for finding
what I haven't yet been able to find by searching myself on the Internet.

Kudos to Alan Baker... if it works... but let's recall Alan considers
himself a customer support computer professional and yet he has no idea
that the Usenet headers can be changed and Alan considers himself a racing
aficionado who owns BMWs and yet he has no idea what they're called in
racing circuits, etc., nor has Alan Baker ever heard of a catenary, which
is just about the most basic curve-navigating term there is... so you can
probably understand why I treat his claims with a teeny bit of caution.

You'll also note a deceitful trick that nospam & Jolly Roger both have used
multiple times in the past is to claim something that worked in iOS long
ago as working in iOS 17 (e.g., Field Test Mode), where the zealots are so
used to dealing only with uneducated people, they don't think anyone will
check it out - only to find it no longer works as they claim it does.

However, Sunday August 4th happened in 2024, and in 2019 & 2013...
2013 <https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2013>
2019 <https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2019>
2024 <https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2024>
But those images may have actually been taken in 2024 as the EXIF
information on the downloaded jpeg images shows the date as 8/4/2024.

In summary, since I am always factually grounded, I will test out the
method proposed, as I gave up on Jolly Roger's suggested iTunes clusterfuck
so the iPad is sitting here, devoid of functionality, until it is set up.

If it's true that an iOS device can be set up without the Internet, and
still not be a dumb terminal, then I will congratulate Alan Baker - but
since we know how desperate the zealots are to claim an iOS device isn't a
dumb terminal devoid of functionality if not connected to Apple servers,
let's test it out first before we make any further assessment of the facts.

I haven't looked at the images in detail yet, but I just noticed that image
6 shows the iPad is connected to the Internet - so - what is Alan Baker
trying to show?

The fact the device is connected to the Internet already proves the iOS
device can't do anything without the Internet (iOS is designed as a dumb
terminal), but I'll still check it out as it won't be using an Apple ID.

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On Aug 4, 2024 at 9:29:54 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing
>> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
>
> Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards
> consumers having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals
> with all the apps running on the developers' servers (at a monthly
> subscription of course). Office 365 is the obvious example, but Apple
> and Adobe also have webapps of their office and creative software.

Office 365 is for corporations, so they no longer have to deploy Office to
50,000 separate PCs. It is all done automagically. For consumers who might
need Excel once a year, it is still a free download for iPads. I bought
Office 2021 for Windows and Mac last year, for about $80 total. No 365 here.

My Macs/PCs/iPhones/iPads are NOT "dumb terminals".

> They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure
> everyone is using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into
> buying a newer device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of
> the apps.

Of course. Corporate PCs again.

> BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it
> impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your
> device is considered "too old".

The entire internet is in "the cloud". Is that "ridiculously silly"? Is this
usenet group running on your local Mac? Or mine? No, we connect to "the cloud"
to talk here.

And how often does one's internet connection go down? Maybe a few times a year
for maybe an hour total? About as often as the power going out (unless a
major storm/tornado/hurricane comes through). You can't handle that?

Even if my cable goes out, I can use my phone as a hotspot and be online again
in minutes. BFD. Way easier than cranking up a generator when the power goes
out, unless you have an automatic Generac system.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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Tyrone wrote on Mon, 05 Aug 2024 03:42:23 +0000 :

> My Macs/PCs/iPhones/iPads are NOT "dumb terminals".

It's no longer shocking how ignorant these zealots are about Apple's OS's.

Only Apple's operating systems are designed to be used as dumb terminals.
Try to set up that iPad & iPhone WITHOUT connecting to Apple's mainframes.

You can't.

Almost nothing works on iOS without being connected every second of every
moment of the rest of your life to Apple's Cupertino's mainframe servers.

No other common consumer operating system is designed as a dumb terminal.
Just iOS.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 2024-08-05 03:42:23 +0000, Tyrone said:

> On Aug 4, 2024 at 9:29:54 PM EDT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>>> Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing
>>> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
>>
>> Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards
>> consumers having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals
>> with all the apps running on the developers' servers (at a monthly
>> subscription of course). Office 365 is the obvious example, but Apple
>> and Adobe also have webapps of their office and creative software.
>
> Office 365 is for corporations, so they no longer have to deploy Office to
> 50,000 separate PCs. It is all done automagically. For consumers who might
> need Excel once a year, it is still a free download for iPads. I bought
> Office 2021 for Windows and Mac last year, for about $80 total. No 365 here.
>
> My Macs/PCs/iPhones/iPads are NOT "dumb terminals".

As I said above, they aren't *now*, but the tech industry is heading in
that direction.

>> They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure
>> everyone is using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into
>> buying a newer device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of
>> the apps.
>
> Of course. Corporate PCs again.

Office 365, and the Apple and Adobe webspps, are for anyone who wants
to use them.

>> BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it
>> impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your
>> device is considered "too old".
>
> The entire internet is in "the cloud". Is that "ridiculously silly"? Is this
> usenet group running on your local Mac? Or mine? No, we connect to "the cloud"
> to talk here.

I meant your own documents and the apps you use to work on them all
being stored on someone else's server. :-\

> And how often does one's internet connection go down? Maybe a few times a year
> for maybe an hour total? About as often as the power going out (unless a
> major storm/tornado/hurricane comes through). You can't handle that?
>
> Even if my cable goes out, I can use my phone as a hotspot and be online again
> in minutes. BFD. Way easier than cranking up a generator when the power goes
> out, unless you have an automatic Generac system.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory reset.
>
> Here they are:
>
> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>
> Let's walk through them, together.
>
>
> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>
> 1-Hello.jpeg
>
>
> After pressing the home button, you see the language selection screen:
>
> 2-Language.jpeg
>
>
> After selecting your language, you are asked for your region:
>
> 3-Region.jpeg
>
>
> I selected Canada and came to the screen where you can either do a
> "Quick Start" using an iOS device running iOS 11 or later, or you can do
> a "Set Up Manually"
>
> 4-Quick Start.jpeg
>
>
> I chose to "Set Up Manually" and we came to the "Choose a Wi-Fi" screen.
>
> 5-Wi-Fi.jpeg
>
>
> Not living in a slum and not afraid of my own shadow, I chose my home
> network, and came to the "Data and Privacy" screen:
>
> 6-Data & Privacy.jpeg
>
>
> Having already read Apple's privacy documentation previously (and having
> access to that documentation online, because I wasn't too afraid to
> connect to WiFi in the previous step), I clicked Continue, and came to
> the passcode setup screen:
>
> 7-Passcode.jpeg
>
>
> I set up a passcode--twice as is the usual way, and came to the App &
> Data screen where you're asked if you'd like to restore from some source
> or set up a new device without transferring:
>
> 8-Apps & Data.jpeg
>
>
> I chose, "Don't Transfer Apps & Data", and now we come to the Apple ID
> screen:
>
> 9-Apple ID.jpeg
>
>
> I chose, "Forgot password or don't have an Apple ID?", and came to the
> second Apple ID screen where the option, "Set Up Later in Settings" exists:
>
> 10-Forgot Apple ID.jpeg
>
>
> I chose, "Set Up Later in Settings", and was asked to confirm my choice:
>
> 11-Confirm no Apple ID.jpeg
>
>
>
> I confirmed, "Don't Use", and we get:
>
> 12-Terms & Conditions.jpeg
>
>
> Accepting the T&C, we get options for setting up Siri and Location, but
> remember: we're anonymous, and you can choose NOT to have this
> information transferred.
>
> 13-Express Setttings.jpeg
>
>
> So after selecting, "Continue", we get whether or not to have software
> updates done automatically or not:
>
> 14-Software updates.jpeg
>
> For the purposes of this demonstration, I chose "Continue" rather than
> "Install Updates Manually", and we get Screen Time options:
>
> 15-Screen Time.jpeg
>
>
> "Continue" and we get options about sending analytic data to Apple and
> app developers:
>
> 16-iPad Analytics.jpeg
> 17-App Analytics.jpeg
>
>
> Continue to both, and we get a three informational screens about
> features of iOS/iPadOS;
>
> 18-Dock quick access.jpeg
> 19-Recent app switch.jpeg
> 20-Quickly Access Controls.jpeg
>
> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>
> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>
> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
>
> And of course, you could add a completely minimal AppleID with no
> personal information at all:
>
> 22-AppleID setup.jpeg
>
> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.

Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
>> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory reset.
>>
>> Here they are:
>>
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>>
>> Let's walk through them, together.
>>
>>
>> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>>...
>> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
>
> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?

Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be set
up without it.

-hh

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 2024-08-17 11:49, -hh wrote:
> On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
>>> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory
>>> reset.
>>>
>>> Here they are:
>>>
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>>>
>>> Let's walk through them, together.
>>>
>>>
>>> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>>> ...
>>> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
>>
>> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
>
> Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
> troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be set
> up without it.
>
>
> -hh

Precisely.

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Tom Elam wrote on Sat, 17 Aug 2024 02:31:14 -0400 :

> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?

Setting up the iOS device without logging into Apple's mainframe servers
24/7/365 (i.e., being logged into the matrix every day of your life)
proves that the iOS device is designed, by Apple, as a dumb terminal.

Devoid of the functionality you love about Apple products if you don't lot
into Cupertino mainframe servers every moment of the rest of your life.

The fact iOS devices are dumb terminals proves what the walled garden is.

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-hh wrote on Sat, 17 Aug 2024 14:49:53 -0400 :

>> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
>
> Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
> troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be set
> up without it.

It's no longer shocking the Apple religious zealots don't have any clue
what the point is of setting an iPad up WITHOUT it being a dumb terminal.

Only Apple mobile devices are designed from the start as dumb terminals.

Apple DESIGNED the iPad/iPhone as a dumb terminal.
Devoid of everything you like about it WITHOUT logging into the mainframes.

Without logging into Cupertino's mainframe servers 24/7/365 , the iOS
device is devoid of basic functionality that you expect from Apple.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 8/4/24 9:29 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-08-04 21:53:02 +0000, Tyrone said:
>> On Aug 4, 2024 at 5:33:17 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-04 14:22, Tyrone wrote:
>>>> On Aug 4, 2024 at 2:35:09 PM EDT, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
>>>>> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on the
>>>>> iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an AppleID, but
>>>>> lots don't require one. You may be bothered about finishing setup by
>>>>> adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can simply ignore those nags.
>>>>
>>>> You can also say OK and it will take you to the settings. You can then cancel
>>>> out and it will never ask you again.
>>>
>>> So we're agreed:
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims that an iOS device is just a "dumb terminal" that
>>> cannot function without a connection to Apple's servers at all times...
>>
>> Well, to be fair, ANY device these days can be - sort of - considered a "dumb
>> terminal" because the whole point of most devices is the network connection.
>> But apparently troll boy has never actually seen a real dumb terminal. It
>> actually does nothing locally, it merely displays the TEXT that is coming
>> across the line from the Actual Computer.
>>
>> Phones/PCs/iPads etc. are way beyond "dumb". There is more local processing
>> going on than in mainframes of 20 years ago.
>
> Maybe, but the tech industry is pushing more and more back towards consumers
> having what are realistically little more than dumb terminals with all the apps
> running on the developers' servers (at a monthly subscription of course). Office
> 365 is the obvious example, but Apple and Adobe also have webapps of their
> office and creative software.
>
> They want to do that because it makes it easier for them to enure everyone is
> using the latest version, which in turn pushes poeple into buying a newer
> device. They also do that to circumvent the pirating of the apps.
>
> BUT having everything on the "cloud" is ridiculously silly and makes it
> impossible to do anything when your internet connection is down or your device
> is considered "too old".

Change copyright law to make the software subscription model unprofitable
if they lock you out of your documents:

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=251700

From his article:

"APIs, file formats and similar cannot be protected under either copyright or
trade secret (irrespective of private agreement by adhesion or even
negotiation) as that is deemed contrary to public policy unless the software
that uses them is sold as a fully-licensed per-user product. You can
restrict the number of concurrent users but not "marry" the software to
hardware nor can you prevent a reinstall if someone buys a new machine, even
if the old one can't be "de-registered" (because its broken, for example.)"

"Abandoned versions, where the licensing check engine or any part of its
authentication or other online resource necessary for its ordinary use are
shut down lose copyright and reverse-engineering protection as a matter of
statute and the firm is further required to publish a patch file that
disables said checks."

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 2024-08-16 23:31, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
>> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory reset.
>>
>> Here they are:
>>
>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>>
>> Let's walk through them, together.
>>
>>
>> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>>
>> 1-Hello.jpeg
>>
>>
>> After pressing the home button, you see the language selection screen:
>>
>> 2-Language.jpeg
>>
>>
>> After selecting your language, you are asked for your region:
>>
>> 3-Region.jpeg
>>
>>
>> I selected Canada and came to the screen where you can either do a
>> "Quick Start" using an iOS device running iOS 11 or later, or you can
>> do a "Set Up Manually"
>>
>> 4-Quick Start.jpeg
>>
>>
>> I chose to "Set Up Manually" and we came to the "Choose a Wi-Fi" screen.
>>
>> 5-Wi-Fi.jpeg
>>
>>
>> Not living in a slum and not afraid of my own shadow, I chose my home
>> network, and came to the "Data and Privacy" screen:
>>
>> 6-Data & Privacy.jpeg
>>
>>
>> Having already read Apple's privacy documentation previously (and
>> having access to that documentation online, because I wasn't too
>> afraid to connect to WiFi in the previous step), I clicked Continue,
>> and came to the passcode setup screen:
>>
>> 7-Passcode.jpeg
>>
>>
>> I set up a passcode--twice as is the usual way, and came to the App &
>> Data screen where you're asked if you'd like to restore from some
>> source or set up a new device without transferring:
>>
>> 8-Apps & Data.jpeg
>>
>>
>> I chose, "Don't Transfer Apps & Data", and now we come to the Apple ID
>> screen:
>>
>> 9-Apple ID.jpeg
>>
>>
>> I chose, "Forgot password or don't have an Apple ID?", and came to the
>> second Apple ID screen where the option, "Set Up Later in Settings"
>> exists:
>>
>> 10-Forgot Apple ID.jpeg
>>
>>
>> I chose, "Set Up Later in Settings", and was asked to confirm my choice:
>>
>> 11-Confirm no Apple ID.jpeg
>>
>>
>>
>> I confirmed, "Don't Use", and we get:
>>
>> 12-Terms & Conditions.jpeg
>>
>>
>> Accepting the T&C, we get options for setting up Siri and Location,
>> but remember: we're anonymous, and you can choose NOT to have this
>> information transferred.
>>
>> 13-Express Setttings.jpeg
>>
>>
>> So after selecting, "Continue", we get whether or not to have software
>> updates done automatically or not:
>>
>> 14-Software updates.jpeg
>>
>> For the purposes of this demonstration, I chose "Continue" rather than
>> "Install Updates Manually", and we get Screen Time options:
>>
>> 15-Screen Time.jpeg
>>
>>
>> "Continue" and we get options about sending analytic data to Apple and
>> app developers:
>>
>> 16-iPad Analytics.jpeg
>> 17-App Analytics.jpeg
>>
>>
>> Continue to both, and we get a three informational screens about
>> features of iOS/iPadOS;
>>
>> 18-Dock quick access.jpeg
>> 19-Recent app switch.jpeg
>> 20-Quickly Access Controls.jpeg
>>
>> And finally, we get to the home screen where we can use the iPad,
>> without ever having had to sign into Apple's servers.
>>
>> 21-Home screen.jpeg
>>
>> Now, to be sure, there is a fairly limited set of apps that come on
>> the iPad; 23 apps to be exact, and some of them DO work via an
>> AppleID, but lots don't require one. You may be bothered about
>> finishing setup by adding an AppleID from time to time, but you can
>> simply ignore those nags.
>>
>> And of course, you could add a completely minimal AppleID with no
>> personal information at all:
>>
>> 22-AppleID setup.jpeg
>>
>> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
>
> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?

Most things.

You will need an Apple account to get new apps, but you needn't stay
logged into it.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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Your Name wrote on Mon, 5 Aug 2024 16:48:53 +1200 :

> As I said above, they aren't *now*, but the tech industry is heading in
> that direction.

UPDATE:

Apparently, it's now *impossible* to set up a _new_ Apple ID without also
having to have a phone with you *every* time you log into your device!

*Is it possible to create an AppleID on iOS 10.3+ (or macOS 10.12.4+)*
*WITHOUT giving Apple your private phone number permanently for 2FA*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=16755&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#16755>

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 8/17/2024 2:49 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>> On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
>>> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory
>>> reset.
>>>
>>> Here they are:
>>>
>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>>>
>>> Let's walk through them, together.
>>>
>>>
>>> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>>> ...
>>> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
>>
>> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
>
> Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
> troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be set
> up without it.
>
>
> -hh

Set it up then try to make it really useful without an account? How?

The troll was wrong, but what you wind up with is going to be a limited
device.

BTW, I personally have zero issues with having Apple accounts on our
devices. Makes life simple and they all talk to each other. Much easier
to work with than multiple Android branded devices.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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On 2024-08-30 13:22:03 +0000, Tom Elam said:

> On 8/17/2024 2:49 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
>>>> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory
>>>> reset.
>>>>
>>>> Here they are:
>>>>
>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's walk through them, together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>>>> ...
>>>> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
>>>
>>> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
>>
>> Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
>> troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be
>> set up without it.
>>
>> -hh
>
> Set it up then try to make it really useful without an account? How?
>
> The troll was wrong, but what you wind up with is going to be a limited device.
>
> BTW, I personally have zero issues with having Apple accounts on our
> devices. Makes life simple and they all talk to each other. Much easier
> to work with than multiple Android branded devices.

It's not "limited" by any stretch of the imagination. It can do most of
the basics any average person needs without downloading any additional
apps: email, web surfing, take photos / movies and edit them, use Apple
Maps, read ebooks, etc.

Subject: Re: Setting up an iPad without an AppleID
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Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2024-08-30 13:22:03 +0000, Tom Elam said:
>
>> On 8/17/2024 2:49 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> On 8/17/24 2:31 AM, Tom Elam wrote:
>>>> On 8/4/2024 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> I realize there are those here who are less than honest, so I thought
>>>>> I'd present EVERY screenshot of setting up an iPad after a factory
>>>>> reset.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here they are:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1UkFTfR0p5MyRakngCmF0NstYjF8OOb5j?usp=share_link>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's walk through them, together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First, you get the "Hello" screen.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> No real name, no real DoB... ...no credit card.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what can you do with this iPad set up with no Apple account?
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter, because the point of this exercise was to debunk a
>>> troll's claim that the hardware absolutely couldn't ever possibly be
>>> set up without it.
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> Set it up then try to make it really useful without an account? How?
>>
>> The troll was wrong, but what you wind up with is going to be a limited device.
>>
>> BTW, I personally have zero issues with having Apple accounts on our
>> devices. Makes life simple and they all talk to each other. Much easier
>> to work with than multiple Android branded devices.
>
> It's not "limited" by any stretch of the imagination. It can do most of
> the basics any average person needs without downloading any additional
> apps: email, web surfing, take photos / movies and edit them, use Apple
> Maps, read ebooks, etc.

The average person wants facebook, instagram, games, google apps, etc.

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On 2024-08-31, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's not "limited" by any stretch of the imagination. It can do most
>> of the basics any average person needs without downloading any
>> additional apps: email, web surfing, take photos / movies and edit
>> them, use Apple Maps, read ebooks, etc.
>
> The average person wants facebook, instagram, games, google apps, etc.

The average person has no problem using the App Store. Anyone suggesting
otherwise is an idiot.

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