"Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/

What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.

On 2024-07-19 20:09, Andrew wrote:
> "Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
>
> What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.

LOLOLOLOLOL!

On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
> "Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
>
> What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.

But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?

Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:

<https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>

-hh

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
>> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
>>
>> What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
>
> But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
> shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
> reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
>
> Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
>
>
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>
>
> -hh
>

That’s what salmon looks like at the grocery store!

badgolferman wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:25:29 -0000 (UTC) :

> That's what salmon looks like at the grocery store!

Personally, I don't see why there's all the rage for AI, in that it's just
a generative response, no better than those of the Apple zealots at times.

But it is revealing that Apple is many generations behind Android in 5G
modems, in modern RAM & battery design, in customization features, and,
now, at least according to Forbes, Apple is two generations behind in AI.

I think this is what happens when a company spends so much on advertising
and so little on actual R&D - where all Apple can do now is copy Android.

*13 iOS 18 Features Apple Copied From Android*
<https://www.howtogeek.com/ios-18-features-apple-copied-from-android/>

Notice the mention of "On-Device AI" in that list of what Apple is forced
to copy because Apple's strategy has always been advertising over R&D.

"Numerous other Apple Intelligence features will be available with the
full release of iOS 18 in the fall of this year. Many of them remind me
of Galaxy AI, which uses a mix of cloud-based and on-device generative
AI tools. On other Android devices that don't have proprietary AI
models, you can replace Google Assistant with Gemini to unlock
additional functionality.

Thanks to what the company calls Apple Intelligence, Siri will be able
to understand any type of on-screen context and answer questions. You'll
be able to generate unique images, proofread messages, summarize texts
within your browser, and do a whole host of other virtual assistant
stuff. There will also be GPT integration for things not able to be
handled on the device.

All of these features have largely been a part of Android for many
years; still, I'm still glad that Apple has finally come around to
making these improvements. Whenever Apple does something, it sends out
shockwaves in the tech industry, which inspires further innovation.

To be more specific, I can't wait to see how Apple will tackle on-device
AI integration; I'm sure that it'll be good, which means other
smartphone manufacturers will be forced to react and attempt to one-up
Apple Intelligence with even cooler features."

On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:

>
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>

Perfect.

In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
description of the suburbs.

It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
>
>>
>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>
> Perfect.
>
> In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
> description of the suburbs.
>
> It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
>
>

Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was
asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.

It’s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.

On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:

> On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
>> "Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
>> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
>>
>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
>>
>>
>> What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
>
> But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
> shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
> reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
>
> Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
>
>
> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>
>
>
> -hh

Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
another fad gimmick ... Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and
leapfrog everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily copied
the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.

Your Name wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 11:13:09 +1200 :

> Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
> another fad gimmick ... Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and
> leapfrog everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
> released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily copied
> the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.

I'm never gonna disagree with a sensible point of view in that AI is
nothing more than a fad gimmick that, according to Forbes, Apple is two
generations behind Android (i.e., Google) on - so we agree on that.

However, we just might need to find a few more facts to back up your
assertion that Apple leapfrogs everyone after being behind for years.

How's Apple doing on leapfrogging everyone on their integrated 5G modem?
To be something like ten years behind in hardware is gonna be a big jump.

We long ago proved beyond a doubt that Apple's IC design teams are
incompetent (e.g., almost every Apple chip has unpatchable flaws).

But maybe Your Name used at least a single fact to base his opinion on.
Can you name even a single design that Apple successfully leapfrogged?

badgolferman wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:04:28 -0000 (UTC) :

>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>>
>> Perfect.
>>
>> In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
>> description of the suburbs.
>>
>> It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
>>
>
> Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was
> asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
>
> It�s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.

While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be),
for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.

You have to ask why Apple is two generations behind Google (who is not
standing still), where it's the same question to ask why Apple is something
like five generations behind Qualcomm on 5G modem design (who also isn't
standing still).

Why is Apple consistently behind on almost all emergent smartphone tech?
Could it be because Apple doesn't actually spend (for its size) in R&D?

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-20 11:07:59 +0000, -hh said:
>
>> On 7/19/24 11:09 PM, Andrew wrote:
>>> "Meanwhile, all of those benefits are available on Android and have been
>>> since Google introduced the idea of an AI-first smartphone in October 2024
>>> during the Pixel 8 launch. With Google's Pixel 9 family due to be announced
>>> in August, Apple's iPhone will be two generations behind Android's AI
>>> efforts before it has even left the Cupertino stage."
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2024/07/18/apple-iphone-16-pro-max-apple-intelligence-ai-sales-demand-new-iphone/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What do you expect from a company whose advertising budget dwarfs R&D.
>>
>> But how does it actually matter how far someone is "behind" when the
>> shiny new widget still isn't all that great, and doesn't actually
>> reliably provide meaningful productivity gains?
>> uttinf
>> Case in point, AI asked to render salmon swimming upstream:
>>
>>
>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>>
>
>
> Ignoring the fact that AI is utterly useless and nothing more than
> another fad gimmick ...

Well, it may be a fad .. or perhaps not (at least for certain niches).
Real point is that it is still formative and immature today.

> Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
> everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
> released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
> copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.

Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an “early lead” to market when
the tech change hasn’t adequately matured isn’t really worth that much:

thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it:
use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
(eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty
typical of how Apple tends to operate.

-hh

-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:01:25 -0400 :

>> Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
>> everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
>> released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
>> copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
>
> Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an �early lead� to market when
> the tech change hasn�t adequately matured isn�t really worth that much:
>
> thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
> warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it:
> use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
> (eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty
> typical of how Apple tends to operate.

It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious
zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating
even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the
iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android.

Name just one.
We'll wait...

HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:04:28 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>>>
>>> Perfect.
>>>
>>> In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
>>> description of the suburbs.
>>>
>>> It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
>>>
>>
>> Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was
>> asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
>>
>> Itขs just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
>
> While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be),
> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.

That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.

> You have to ask why Apple is two generations behind Google (who is not
> standing still), where it's the same question to ask why Apple is something
> like five generations behind Qualcomm on 5G modem design (who also isn't
> standing still).

But Apple is using the best 5G chips, because they’re buying them from
Qualcomm. Do keep in mind that not every last component has to strictly be
created & fabbed in-house.

> Why is Apple consistently behind on almost all emergent smartphone tech?
> Could it be because Apple doesn't actually spend (for its size) in R&D?

Or it could be just Apple’s standards for approving a commercial product to
ship are higher than their peers.

-hh

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> -hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:01:25 -0400 :
>
>>> Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
>>> everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
>>> released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
>>> copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
>>
>> Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an “early lead” to market when
>> the tech change hasn´t adequately matured isn´t really worth that much:
>>
>> thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
>> warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it:
>> use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
>> (eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty
>> typical of how Apple tends to operate.
>
> It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious
> zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating
> even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the
> iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android.
>
> Name just one.
> We'll wait...

Non sequitur.

Because what is the origin of this claim that Apple can only be successful
in the marketplace if they do nothing less than “leapfrogging”?

> HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.

Which is why I asked you for a substantiating citation of what you’re
trying to use as a goalpost: due diligence requires that you didn’t try to
disingenuously move said goalposts.

-hh

-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:06:24 -0400 :

>> While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be),
>> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
>
> That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.

Since I'm a rather well educated reasonably intelligent well-informed
adult, I will agree with anyone who states a sensibly logical point of view
- which is whether or not Google's AI is the "correct direction".

I think it's a gimmick. A fad. A tool for getting people to pay for a new
search engine (so to speak). A generative search engine perhaps.

Most people who are intelligent can use the existing search engine to
formulate what the generative AI can do - but a lot of people can't do that
(which, after all, is, I think, the appeal to hoi polloi of generative AI.
>> You have to ask why Apple is two generations behind Google (who is not
>> standing still), where it's the same question to ask why Apple is something
>> like five generations behind Qualcomm on 5G modem design (who also isn't
>> standing still).
>
> But Apple is using the best 5G chips, because they�re buying them from
> Qualcomm. Do keep in mind that not every last component has to strictly be
> created & fabbed in-house.

Again, I agree with any sensibly logical point of view, since I'm only here
to do two things, one of which is to learn & disseminate Apple knowledge.

Apple buys parts from a *lot* of suppliers to Android, such as Samsung
displays. Since Apple lost the GPU market - they buy them from someone too.

The main reason Apple still makes their own CPUs is more for the marketing
aspect than anything else, since most of the Apple trademarked CPUs have
been shown to be unpatchable and hence permanently flawed by design alone.

>> Why is Apple consistently behind on almost all emergent smartphone tech?
>> Could it be because Apple doesn't actually spend (for its size) in R&D?
>
> Or it could be just Apple's standards for approving a commercial product to
> ship are higher than their peers.

I will always agree with someone who makes a logical sensible statement
that they can show is based on actual facts - but I fear you may not
actually have any real facts to back up your strongly held belief system.

Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the
iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> -hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:01:25 -0400 :
>
>>> Apple has a tendency to come in "late" and leapfrog
>>> everyone else with a much better version. When the iPhone was
>>> released, everyone else had to quickly play catch-up and lazily
>>> copied the iPhone (and many still do) with a sub-quality knock-off.
>>
>> Pretty much what I was alluding to: having an “early lead” to market when
>> the tech change hasn´t adequately matured isn´t really worth that much:
>>
>> thus, it is far wiser to let it continue to mature without putting its
>> warts out on public display where it can only created a poor opinion of it:
>> use that developmental time to find where it actually makes a difference
>> (eg productivity) before commercially launching it .. which is yes, pretty
>> typical of how Apple tends to operate.
>
> It's interesting how biased the ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple religious
> zealots are; but let's simply ask them to back up their claims by stating
> even a *single* factual technological accomplishment Apple has had for the
> iPhone in the past five years that they consider "leapfrogged" Android.
>
> Name just one.
> We'll wait...
>
> HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
>

AirTags?

badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 02:54:11 -0000 (UTC) :

>> HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
>>
>
> AirTags?

Hi badgolferman,

I'm happy you responded with something that Apple designed around the
smartphone that may have "leapfrogged" the competition, where I'm acutely
aware of the bias that people have due to Apple's brilliant advertising.

Keeping in mind always that Apple doesn't really have any R&D to speak of,
I'd be surprised if Apple "developed" anything that others don't have, but
if AirTags are it, then I'm happy to find out if that's the case in fact.

I'm only looking for answers - as I form my belief systems based on facts -
not religion (and certainly not on mere advertising - brilliant or not).

While I don't care for AirTags, and hence, I'm ignorant of them, let me
look up the genesis of these AirTags to find out who leapfrogged whom...

Since I'm a reasonably well educated adult of at least normal intelligence,
I looked it up to make my own reasonably informed assessment of the facts.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTag>

a. April 2019 under development
b. Asahi_Kasei UWB parts
c. Announced April 20, 2021

OK. Now we've established a timeline, let's look for the competition.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UWB-enabled_mobile_devices>

Samsung Galaxy SmartTag Released April 2021
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_SmartTag>

Although Google, apparently, was late to the game for it's offering:
<https://9to5google.com/2024/04/08/android-airtag-trackers-release-date/>

In summary, it seems to me, based on those facts above, that Apple and
Samsung introduced the same type of device at about the same time frame.

Who is leapfrogging whom?

-hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:10:06 -0400 :

>> Name just one.
>> We'll wait...
>
> Non sequitur.
>
> Because what is the origin of this claim that Apple can only be successful
> in the marketplace if they do nothing less than �leapfrogging�?
>
>> HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
>
> Which is why I asked you for a substantiating citation of what you�re
> trying to use as a goalpost: due diligence requires that you didn�t try to
> disingenuously move said goalposts.

What's important is that a belief system that is strongly held, and yet,
isn't based on even a single fact - is referred to as purely religious.

To wit:
a. You clearly hold a very strong belief system about Apple superiority.
b. And yet, your entire belief system is based on exactly zero facts.

It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to
claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.

Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
A: (we'll wait)

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 02:54:11 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
>>>
>>
>> AirTags?
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> I'm happy you responded with something that Apple designed around the
> smartphone that may have "leapfrogged" the competition, where I'm acutely
> aware of the bias that people have due to Apple's brilliant advertising.
>
> Keeping in mind always that Apple doesn't really have any R&D to speak of,
> I'd be surprised if Apple "developed" anything that others don't have, but
> if AirTags are it, then I'm happy to find out if that's the case in fact.
>
> I'm only looking for answers - as I form my belief systems based on facts -
> not religion (and certainly not on mere advertising - brilliant or not).
>
> While I don't care for AirTags, and hence, I'm ignorant of them, let me
> look up the genesis of these AirTags to find out who leapfrogged whom...
>
> Since I'm a reasonably well educated adult of at least normal intelligence,
> I looked it up to make my own reasonably informed assessment of the facts.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AirTag>
>
> a. April 2019 under development
> b. Asahi_Kasei UWB parts
> c. Announced April 20, 2021
>
> OK. Now we've established a timeline, let's look for the competition.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UWB-enabled_mobile_devices>
>
> Samsung Galaxy SmartTag Released April 2021
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_SmartTag>
>
> Although Google, apparently, was late to the game for it's offering:
> <https://9to5google.com/2024/04/08/android-airtag-trackers-release-date/>
>
> In summary, it seems to me, based on those facts above, that Apple and
> Samsung introduced the same type of device at about the same time frame.
>
> Who is leapfrogging whom?
>

AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
still has a long way to go.

https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:

> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>>
>> Perfect.
>>
>> In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
>> description of the suburbs.
>>
>> It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
>>
>>
>
> Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was
> asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
>
> It’s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.

Please keep your politics out of it. Thank you.

badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :

> AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
> still has a long way to go.
>
> https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won

Hi badgolferman,

Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.

I think you misunderstood what I said, and what I had asked, as I don't
doubt the Apple customers fall for every marketing gimmick in the book.

There's a huge difference between MARKETING & TECHNOLOGY.
Apple can't innovate - but boy oh boy - can Apple market that they do!

Never forget the difference please.
Apple has a gullible herd following that rivals that of Marlboro.

Marlboro sold Virginia Slims, remember - to gullible herd animals.
Having gullible herd followings does not make the technology better.

Even the "bold new colors" sell like hotcakes to Apple herd animals.

But if you're going to tell me that "yellow phones" are an innovation that
Android doesn't have, simply because Apple sells more yellow phones to its
gullible herds, I'm going to push back on you for technology reasons.

Remember, I never said Apple doesn't have the finest MARKETING in the
world. What I said was Apple's R&D is the worst in terms of spending.

As a result, Apple can't innovate.
But man oh man... can Apple market.

So just the fact that billions of gullible Apple owners fall prey to Apple
marketing - like sheep led to slaughter - doesn't mean the technology has
"leapfrogged" anyone.

What's technologically better between the three airtags anyway?
a. Apple (which came out in April 2021)
b. Samsung (which came out at exactly the same time)
c. Google (which is late to the game)

I bet you don't know the answer.

Notice if you don't know the answer, you are falling prey to Apple
marketing because having billions of gullible idiots isn't technology.

It's marketing.

-hh wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:03:35 -0400 :

> On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
> to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".

While I'm well aware of the genius of Apple's lies of "It just works",
let's teset that out, shall we?

1. I installed an app on iOS & Android long ago
2. It's no longer in the App Store on either platform
3. Which of the two platforms "just works" when I want to migrate
that previously installed app onto any number of new devices?

Hint: The Apple ecosystem never "just works".

Let's test it again, but with a different set of common conditions:
a. I want to have anonymity when using a web browser
b. So I choose the canonical well-supported respected Tor Browser
c. On which of the two platforms does the Tor browser "just work"?

Hint: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".

Do you want me to give you scores of similar examples, from system-wide
firewalls to deleting apps to changing icon names to organizing your
homescreen how YOU want it (e.g., with app icons in multiple folders), to
running non-Google Chrome variants, to running graphical Wi-Fi and cellular
debuggers, etc.

HINT: The Apple ecosystem almost never "just works".

If you think it does, that simply proves how gullible you are to Apple's
admittedly brilliant advertising. Almost nothing "just works" on iOS.

>> It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to
>> claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.
>>
>> Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
>> A: (we'll wait)
>
> See: "It just works". The ramifications of this as a developmental
> discipline is to have V&V of new technologies *prior* to them being
> sold, to make sure that they're actually work, reliably, in real world
> fielded applications. A concrete example of this is *not* adopting a
> folding display screen that then subsequently fails/degrades in the
> hands of customers.
>
> And of course, Apple isn't perfectly infallible, for we can cite the
> 'butterfly' keyboard failures as an illustration of a mistake made: the
> key thing is to have a corporate culture which minimizes the risks of
> repeating of prior mistakes - which is indicative of why we've had to
> refer to a failure in design from 2015 .. nearly a full decade ago.

The fact that you believe it just works is proof alone that you know
absolutely nothing of how every other operating system works, hh.

Seriously.
Who is that gullible?

If you turn off the Internet, and if you don't log into Cupertino's servers
every moment of your life, nothing you love about the walled garden works.

Yet, with EVERY other operating system NOT Apple, it still works.
Only Apple operating systems require a login to the mother ship to work.

You really have no business in an adult conversation other than to prove
how fantastically gullible the Apple customer is to brilliant marketing.

Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-07-20 07:07, -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/yijd3c/they_asked_an_ai_engine_to_recreate_a_salmon/>
>>>
>>> Perfect.
>>>
>>> In early AI experiments (80's) they asked a computer to come up with a
>>> description of the suburbs.
>>>
>>> It spat out: "... a place where grass is grown."
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Earlier this year Google had several blunders, notably the one where it was
>> asked to create a picture of a bunch of Englishman.
>>
>> It’s just another example of Garbage In Garbage Out and wokism.
>
> Please keep your politics out of it. Thank you.
>

The myriad of articles describing the issue specifically pointed out the
reason behind the Google AI search results and it was as I described.

On 7/21/24 1:29 AM, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:10:06 -0400 :
>
>>> Name just one.
>>> We'll wait...
>>
>> Non sequitur.
>>
>> Because what is the origin of this claim that Apple can only be successful
>> in the marketplace if they do nothing less than �leapfrogging�?
>>
>>> HINT: These uneducated low-IQ religious zealots just make this stuff up.
>>
>> Which is why I asked you for a substantiating citation of what you�re
>> trying to use as a goalpost: due diligence requires that you didn�t try to
>> disingenuously move said goalposts.
>
> What's important is that a belief system that is strongly held, and yet,
> isn't based on even a single fact - is referred to as purely religious.
>
> To wit:
> a. You clearly hold a very strong belief system about Apple superiority.
> b. And yet, your entire belief system is based on exactly zero facts.

On the contrary, the evidence is in the lack of news/drama when it comes
to product as deployed - the classical "it just works".

> It's classic for Dunning-Kruger people far to the left of Mount Stupid to
> claim a strongly held opinion they can't back up with even a single fact.
>
> Q: Name a single thing that the iPhone does that's better than Android?
> A: (we'll wait)

See: "It just works". The ramifications of this as a developmental
discipline is to have V&V of new technologies *prior* to them being
sold, to make sure that they're actually work, reliably, in real world
fielded applications. A concrete example of this is *not* adopting a
folding display screen that then subsequently fails/degrades in the
hands of customers.

And of course, Apple isn't perfectly infallible, for we can cite the
'butterfly' keyboard failures as an illustration of a mistake made: the
key thing is to have a corporate culture which minimizes the risks of
repeating of prior mistakes - which is indicative of why we've had to
refer to a failure in design from 2015 .. nearly a full decade ago.

-hh

On 7/20/24 10:14 PM, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:06:24 -0400 :
>
>>> While I'm no fan of silly gimmicks (such as what AI appears to mostly be),
>>> for Apple to be two generations behind Google is usually considered bad.
>>
>> That depends on if Google is actually moving in the correct direction.
>
> Since I'm a rather well educated reasonably intelligent well-informed
> adult, ...

Tangible evidence of the veracity of that claim is severely lacking.

[snip]

>
> Can you name even a single smartphone technology that Apple ships with the
> iPhone that is higher quality than its peers over the past, oh, five years?

Already done: the wisdom to still **not** ship folding displays.

-hh